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Up until this week I was receiving the Catalyst list e-mails in digest form. This week I'm getting individual e-mails. When I checked the list server options it told me digest mode had been disabled by the administrator. It's hard for me to process multiple individual e-mails from the Catalyst list along with my other e-mail; is there any way digest mode could be re-enabled?


Thanks!

Hugh Lampert
IT Specialist
Information Technology (3261)
Landesbank Baden-W?rttemberg
New York Branch
280 Park Avenue, 31st Floor - West Building
New York, NY 10017
Phone: (212) 584-1775
Fax: (212) 584-1799
Email: Hugh.Lampert@LBBWus.com
Web: www.LBBW.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Emmanuel Quevillon
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:38 AM
To: The elegant MVC web framework
Subject: [Catalyst] Serving html pages

Hi,

I am quite new with catalyst and I'd like to know how I could serve some html pages (actually documentation) e.g.:
www.myapp.com/docs/index.html ?

When I try to integrate such link in my template page, Pages are not served and as mentioned in the C::P::Static::Simple it does not serve .html file.

Is there any magic thing to do without changing
MyApp->config->{static}->{ignore_extensions} ?

Thanks a lot

Regards

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  • Matt S Trout at Jan 11, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:52:58AM -0500, Lampert, Hugh wrote:
    Up until this week I was receiving the Catalyst list e-mails in digest form. This week I'm getting individual e-mails. When I checked the list server options it told me digest mode had been disabled by the administrator. It's hard for me to process multiple individual e-mails from the Catalyst list along with my other e-mail; is there any way digest mode could be re-enabled?
    No.

    People consistently sign up to digests and then reply to them, spamming the
    list with a day's worth of messages for a second time and blowing away any
    hope of threading.

    You can get a feed from

    http://grokbase.com/group/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk?format=atom

    (which being a Catalyst-powered site is probably going to archive this
    list pretty much indefinitely :)

    or you can configure your mail setup to siphon the messages off into a
    folder. Both approaches will give you all the advantages of digests without
    leaving us with the traffic/noise disadvantages.

    A mailing list lives and dies by the quality of its postings (and for every
    one digest user there are dozens more people searching the archives), so
    disabling digests was a conscious choice to optimise for signal/noise ratio.

    If you don't have a useful mail client and don't want to take a feed, I have
    a (somewhat hacky) script I use to handle sorting that needs nothing but an
    IMAP connection to talk down (and some perl :); I'll send a copy on request.

    --
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  • Andrew Rodland at Jan 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    On Friday 11 January 2008 11:45:27 am Matt S Trout wrote:
    You can get a feed from

    http://grokbase.com/group/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk?format=atom

    (which being a Catalyst-powered site is probably going to archive this
    list pretty much indefinitely :)

    or you can configure your mail setup to siphon the messages off into a
    folder. Both approaches will give you all the advantages of digests without
    leaving us with the traffic/noise disadvantages.
    If you like looking at things on the web (or if you think that NNTP is a good
    way to view a mailing list), GMANE also carries this list,
    as 'gmane.comp.web.catalyst.general'.

    Andrew
  • Lampert, Hugh at Jan 11, 2008 at 8:39 pm
    Well, I respectfully submit that the purpose of a digest is so people can archive the mailing list themselves in their e-mail systems, one digest per day. An RSS feed does not easily allow this, and for a busy list like this one, a subscriber might receive many messages per day, the number of which could rapidly increase into the thousands in the inbox. Filtering these many messages into a folder, as you suggest, will more than likely mean that for me they will never get looked at at all, as I receive many, many emails that require my attention every day.

    I use Outlook for my corporate mail system and I know your opinion of the way it works Matt. I like to keep up with Catalyst as much as possible but not enough to have to monitor an RSS feed or thousands of individual e-mails in my business mailbox. I have an alternate suggestion. Re-enable digests for those who subscribe to the traditional function of a "mailing list" and don't want to be flooded by individual e-mails, and revoke and block the subscriptions of those who subscribe but don't know how to respond properly and spam the list by responding improperly to the digest.

    I have already unsubscribed from the Catalyst list for my personal mail box, which collects on a somewhat limited portable micro drive. If I can't get a digest I guess I will have to unsubscribe from the list from my corporate mail box as well, as I don't want to awkwardly manage thousands of individual e-mails. While I can make some time to scan the subjects of the digest when it comes into my mailbox during my work day, I'm afraid I will not have time to monitor yet another RSS feed, so it will be so long Catalyst info. Too bad for me, I guess.

    Interestingly, I will continue to subscribe to the DBIx-Class list, as the digest for that has NOT been turned off as of yet. Are the subscribers to that list just more intelligent?


    Hugh Lampert
    IT Specialist
    Information Technology (3261)
    Landesbank Baden-W?rttemberg
    New York Branch
    280 Park Avenue, 31st Floor - West Building
    New York, NY 10017
    Phone: (212) 584-1775
    Fax: (212) 584-1799
    Email: Hugh.Lampert@LBBWus.com
    Web: www.LBBW.com
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Matt S Trout
    Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:45 PM
    To: The elegant MVC web framework
    Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Re-enable digest mode?
    On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:52:58AM -0500, Lampert, Hugh wrote:
    Up until this week I was receiving the Catalyst list e-mails in digest form. This week I'm getting individual e-mails. When I checked the list server options it told me digest mode had been disabled by the administrator. It's hard for me to process multiple individual e-mails from the Catalyst list along with my other e-mail; is there any way digest mode could be re-enabled?
    No.

    People consistently sign up to digests and then reply to them, spamming the list with a day's worth of messages for a second time and blowing away any hope of threading.

    You can get a feed from

    http://grokbase.com/group/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk?format=atom

    (which being a Catalyst-powered site is probably going to archive this list pretty much indefinitely :)

    or you can configure your mail setup to siphon the messages off into a folder. Both approaches will give you all the advantages of digests without leaving us with the traffic/noise disadvantages.

    A mailing list lives and dies by the quality of its postings (and for every one digest user there are dozens more people searching the archives), so disabling digests was a conscious choice to optimise for signal/noise ratio.

    If you don't have a useful mail client and don't want to take a feed, I have a (somewhat hacky) script I use to handle sorting that needs nothing but an IMAP connection to talk down (and some perl :); I'll send a copy on request.

    --
    Matt S Trout Need help with your Catalyst or DBIx::Class project?
    Technical Director http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/catalyst/
    Shadowcat Systems Ltd. Want a managed development or deployment platform?
    http://chainsawblues.vox.com/ http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/servers/

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    no representation that it is accurate or complete and it should not be relied upon as such. Neither Landesbank
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  • Matt S Trout at Jan 13, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 03:43:25PM -0500, Lampert, Hugh wrote:
    Well, I respectfully submit that the purpose of a digest is so people can archive the mailing list themselves in their e-mail systems, one digest per day. An RSS feed does not easily allow this, and for a busy list like this one, a subscriber might receive many messages per day, the number of which could rapidly increase into the thousands in the inbox. Filtering these many messages into a folder, as you suggest, will more than likely mean that for me they will never get looked at at all, as I receive many, many emails that require my attention every day.

    I use Outlook for my corporate mail system and I know your opinion of the way it works Matt. I like to keep up with Catalyst as much as possible but not enough to have to monitor an RSS feed or thousands of individual e-mails in my business mailbox. I have an alternate suggestion. Re-enable digests for those who subscribe to the traditional function of a "mailing list" and don't want to be flooded by individual e-mails, and revoke and block the subscriptions of those who subscribe but don't know how to respond properly and spam the list by responding improperly to the digest.
    I'd note that you mailed the list instead of the list admin address
    which was the wrong place to do so, and just replied top-posting with the
    entire message quoted below to no aim, which is exactly the problem that we
    have with digests.

    Should I disable your subscription too?
    I have already unsubscribed from the Catalyst list for my personal mail box, which collects on a somewhat limited portable micro drive. If I can't get a digest I guess I will have to unsubscribe from the list from my corporate mail box as well, as I don't want to awkwardly manage thousands of individual e-mails. While I can make some time to scan the subjects of the digest when it comes into my mailbox during my work day, I'm afraid I will not have time to monitor yet another RSS feed, so it will be so long Catalyst info. Too bad for me, I guess.
    You can put together an outlook mail rule trivially to move the mails into
    a subfolder, and skim the subjects in there. I used to do that for lists back
    when I was at a job that mandated outlook. Plus that way you can actually use
    threading, which makes the skimming even quicker :)

    If you really want digests back on, find me a way to detect replies to digests
    and reject them at the border; we're using exim and standard mailman
    integration so if you're sufficiently motivated to have a go it should be
    easy enough to get an equivalent setup to test.
    Interestingly, I will continue to subscribe to the DBIx-Class list, as the digest for that has NOT been turned off as of yet. Are the subscribers to that list just more intelligent?
    My experience is that a lot of people seem to ignore the available evidence
    and assume that Catalyst is an all-in-one project with DBIC and TT - the number
    of DBIC or TT related questions on here rather than the relevant lists would
    certainly fit with this.

    In any case, digest replies haven't become a problem there and I have no
    desire to disable them unless they do.

    --
    Matt S Trout Need help with your Catalyst or DBIx::Class project?
    Technical Director http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/catalyst/
    Shadowcat Systems Ltd. Want a managed development or deployment platform?
    http://chainsawblues.vox.com/ http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/servers/

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