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Hello all,

I'm a little out of my realm here. I have a greek list that is
experiencing the following issue:

some text in UTF-8 when it is in digest - or maybe any format. Also,
some web addresses are now in non-latin characters. Any advice for
how to deal with this problem? I know when I sent the latest message
in question it was readable from and on a wireless-connected iPod
Touch, but on other occasions I've just seen question marks rather
than the Greek letters that were sent. An example follows at the end.
cannot read any
unicode (UTF-8) text that appears in messages. This is
almost certainly
a problem in the way the listserver handles messages. In
particular, it
does not seem to respect the "Content-Type" tag in the
message header,
which is correctly set to utf-8, as you can see from the
example below.

So far the problem was "just" with being unable to read
unicode text
written by list contributors. Now, with greek sites
beginning to use
greek letters as part of their URLs (such as your skai.gr
link below),
the problem is expanding.

Is there a way to make the listserver respect the
charset="utf-8"
setting?




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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:41:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Roland Moore <rolandmo at pacbell.net>
Subject: [MGSA-L] Fwd: [??? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????
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To: "mgsa-l at uci.edu"
<mgsa-l at uci.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

http://www.skai.gr/articles/news/
views/???????????????????????????????/

I was asked to forward the foregoing to the list, to
represent another point of view. -Roland
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  • Mark Sapiro at Mar 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Con Wieland wrote:
    I'm a little out of my realm here. I have a greek list that is
    experiencing the following issue:

    some text in UTF-8 when it is in digest - or maybe any format. Also,
    some web addresses are now in non-latin characters. Any advice for
    how to deal with this problem? I know when I sent the latest message
    in question it was readable from and on a wireless-connected iPod
    Touch, but on other occasions I've just seen question marks rather
    than the Greek letters that were sent. An example follows at the end.

    The example at the end is from a 'plain' format digest. The messages in
    the plain format digest, while they still show the original
    Content-Type: header, are all coerced to the character set of the
    list's preferred language which is us-ascii for English and that is
    probably what the list's language is since there is currently no Greek
    language support.

    cannot read any
    unicode (UTF-8) text that appears in messages. This is
    almost certainly
    a problem in the way the listserver handles messages. In
    particular, it
    does not seem to respect the "Content-Type" tag in the
    message header,
    which is correctly set to utf-8, as you can see from the
    example below.

    In the MIME format digest, each message is a separate MIME part, and
    the Content-Type: header from the original message is replicated in
    the message part's headers, so this should not be an issue with MIME
    digests.

    So far the problem was "just" with being unable to read
    unicode text
    written by list contributors. Now, with greek sites
    beginning to use
    greek letters as part of their URLs (such as your skai.gr
    link below),
    the problem is expanding.

    Is there a way to make the listserver respect the
    charset="utf-8"
    setting?

    It does. It knows the message is utf-8 encoded and it knows the plain
    format digest is us-ascii so it does the best it can, which isn't very
    good in this case.

    The user's should try subscribing to the MIME digest and see if that
    helps. If it does, set the list's default digest format to MIME for
    new subscribers.

    Other options include changing the character set for English in Mailman
    to utf-8, or creating a Greek i18n for Mailman with an appropriate
    character set and setting the list's language to Greek.

    You can do the former by putting

    add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr')

    in mm_cfg.py, but this will have possibly undesirable side effects such
    as base64 encoding the plain digest, parts of the MIME digest, and
    most mailman generated notices from the list. It might be better to
    use 'iso-8859-1', but that won't help much with Greek, but you
    probably don't want iso-8859-7 because this is a global setting.

    If you (or maybe some students) want to do a Greek i18n, I'll help with
    the mechanical details.

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    Message: 4
    Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:41:25 -0800 (PST)
    From: Roland Moore <rolandmo at pacbell.net>
    Subject: [MGSA-L] Fwd: [??? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????
    ????...
    To: "mgsa-l at uci.edu"
    <mgsa-l at uci.edu>
    Message-ID: <862206.6317.qm at web180311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

    http://www.skai.gr/articles/news/
    views/???????????????????????????????/

    I was asked to forward the foregoing to the list, to
    represent another point of view. -Roland
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