This is more of a list management question than a Mailman question,
but I need your collective wisdom

I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
intended to do a mass Invite.

The addresses come from a sign up sheet specifically for this list,
but the combination of some not very legible addresses along with the
potential for typos (I typed them all in) mean that will almost
certainly be a handful of addresses subscribed that have no interest
in the Wilson Middle School PTA Newsletter (Plano, TX).

Obviously this was a situation where an Invite was what was needed. I
had just overlooked the radio button for this.

I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who
complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and
will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.

Any advice is welcome.

-j

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  • Adam McGreggor at Sep 1, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
    I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
    intended to do a mass Invite. [...]
    I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who
    complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and
    will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.

    Any advice is welcome.
    Be pre-emptive/pro-active and mail the people you sub'd explaining
    that you meant to invite them to join the list, but human error caused
    them to be subscribed; that the list is low-traffic/announcements from
    the school only (or whatever). Provide a link to *their* options page,
    along with something like:
    "I understand if you want to unsubscribe -- you can so do via
    <http://foo.example.org/mailman/options/emailaddy>"

    (It's the sort of thing I'd grep the subscribe log for, and then let
    some perl/bash mail each person, giving them their customized URIs.)

    If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
    unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.

    (Still, it's a lot better than sending a reply about privacy policy to
    a complete list of a few k subscribers, rather than the individual you
    thought you were sending it to: there's a reason my external lists are
    set to require all posts to be approved, even those from staff.)

    --
    ``A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in
    human history -- with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila.''
    (Mitch Ratcliffe, in `Technology Review', 1992)
  • Mark Sapiro at Sep 1, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    Adam McGreggor wrote:
    On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
    I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
    intended to do a mass Invite. [...]
    I'm hopeful that I will be able to explain and apologize to anyone who
    complains to me, but I fear that I won't have that opportunity and
    will get blocked by the likes of AoL right off the bat.

    Any advice is welcome.
    [...]
    If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
    unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.

    OTOH, if you did send a welcome, check Mailman's bounce log for bounces
    and delete those addresses from the list.

    If you don't repeatedly mail to non-existent or spam-trap addresses at
    the large ISPs, they probably won't block you unless they get multiple
    complaints.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Jeffrey Goldberg at Sep 2, 2009 at 12:46 am

    On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

    Adam McGreggor wrote:
    On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
    I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
    intended to do a mass Invite.
    If you didn't send a welcome message, a slightly cheeky option is to
    unsub (without notification), and invite the folks.
    OTOH, if you did send a welcome, check Mailman's bounce log for
    bounces
    and delete those addresses from the list.
    Thank you! That is extremely obvious once you point it out, but since
    I've never run a list with unconfirmed addresses before that had
    completely slipped my mind.

    As it turns out, 31 out of 288 addresses were bouncing. So the
    transcription error rate was much worse than I'd anticipated.

    Cheers,

    -j
  • Ralf Hildebrandt at Sep 2, 2009 at 8:26 am

    * Jeffrey Goldberg <jeffrey at goldmark.org>:
    This is more of a list management question than a Mailman question,
    but I need your collective wisdom

    I just did a mass Subscribe (288 address) for a list where I had
    intended to do a mass Invite.
    You can retrieve the addresses from the mailman "subscribe" (sp?) log.
    That way you could either unsubscribe them OR create a temporary list
    telling the you meant to invite them but fubared the whole thing.

    --
    Ralf Hildebrandt
    Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
    Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
    Campus Benjamin Franklin
    Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
    Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
    ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de

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