[Mailman-Users] mailman and group mismatch error

This only tells us that you ran the wrapper as root. It doesn't say how
Postfix ran it.

Group mismatch errors have little to do with permissions and
check_perms can't really check them. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9>.

The answer in your case is that Mailman's aliases need to be in an
aliases.db file whose owner's primary group is one of your above list
- normally 'mailman'. Note that this doesn't mean the file's group; it
means the primary group of the file's owner. This is a Postfix thing.

If you have Mailman/Postfix integration properly configured, this
should be automatic because the aliases will be in Mailman's
data/aliases* files and data/aliases.db will be owned by the Mailman
user.

Note that if this isn't all properly set up from the rpms, that is a
RedHat/CentOS packaging issue over which we have no control.

# ls -lhZ /etc/aliases*
-rw-r--r-- root root system_u:object_r:etc_aliases_t /etc/aliases
-rw-r--r-- root root system_u:object_r:etc_aliases_t /etc/aliases.db

# ls -lhZ /etc/mailman/aliases*
-rw-rw---- root mailman user_u:object_r:mailman_data_t /etc/mailman/aliases
-rw-rw-r-- mailman mailman user_u:object_r:mailman_data_t /etc/mailman/aliases.db

# cat /etc/mailman/aliases
# This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the
# binary hash file aliases.db. YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE
# unless you know what you're doing, and can keep the two files properly
# in sync. If you screw it up, you're on your own.

# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Thu Jul 23 14:23:19 2009
mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: test
# CREATED: Thu Jul 23 16:21:13 2009
test: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"
# STANZA END: test

# postconf -n
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
home_mailbox = Maildir/
html_directory = no
inet_interfaces = localhost
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
mydomain = xyz.com
myhostname = list.xyz.com
mynetworks = 10.100.159.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.3.3/README_FILES
recipient_delimiter = +
relay_domains =
relayhost =
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.3.3/samples
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

So do I have everything configured right??
Do I have to recompile mailman? If so it looks like I have to recompile starting with ./configure --with-mail-gid=root

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This looks good. The key thing is that Mailman's aliases.db is owned by
mailman.


The above looks good. what is the exact group mismatch error message
you get in the DSN and/or maillog when you mail to test at list.xyz.com?

snip
To send the test message I sshd into my box as user, su - to root, and did:
# /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
executed as one of the following groups:
[mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon],
but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group: "root".
Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups:
[mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon],
or re-run configure providing the command line option:
'--with-mail-gid=root'.

I then use mutt (still as root) to send an email and this is what I see in /var/log/maillog
Aug 1 13:21:44 list postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system
Aug 1 13:21:44 list postfix/master[2494]: daemon started -- version 2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix
Aug 1 13:22:23 list Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group: "root". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-mail-gid=root'.
Aug 1 13:25:01 list postfix/pickup[2498]: C122C8604E0: uidA fromAug 1 13:25:01 list postfix/cleanup[2767]: C122C8604E0: message-idAug 1 13:25:01 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: C122C8604E0: from=, sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 1 13:25:02 list postfix/local[2769]: C122C8604E0: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.51, delays=0.25/0.05/0/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman)
Aug 1 13:25:02 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: C122C8604E0: removed
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/smtpd[2771]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/smtpd[2771]: 792BE8604DD: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/cleanup[2767]: 792BE8604DD: message-idAug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: 792BE8604DD: from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/smtpd[2771]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/local[2769]: 792BE8604DD: to=, relay=local, delay=0.07, delays=0.01/0/0/0.06, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
Aug 1 13:25:04 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: 792BE8604DD: removed
Aug 1 13:26:19 list postfix/pickup[2498]: C49B88604E0: uid=0 fromAug 1 13:26:19 list postfix/cleanup[2767]: C49B88604E0: message-idAug 1 13:26:19 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: C49B88604E0: from=, sizeA8, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 1 13:26:20 list postfix/local[2769]: C49B88604E0: to=, relay=local, delay=0.28, delays=0.1/0/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test)
Aug 1 13:26:20 list postfix/qmgr[2499]: C49B88604E0: removed

Finally I exit root and go back to being a user and I do:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
executed as one of the following groups:
[mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon],
but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group: "user".
Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups:
[mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon],
or re-run configure providing the command line option:
'--with-mail-gid=user'.

Thanks,
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As I said in an earlier post, this means nothing. It only says that
root can't run the wrapper, but says nothing about Postfix running the
wrapper.


OK. This one is meaningful. It says Postfix is trying to run the
wrapper as root (or does it?), and that is a problem. See below for
more.


Again, this one is not relevant. If you do

sudo -u mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test

it should work. That is also what Postfix should be doing.

Earlier you said -

I.e. the aliases.db is owned by 'mailman'. Also, Postfix's 'man 8
local' says in part

DELIVERY RIGHTS
Deliveries to external files and external commands are made
with the
rights of the receiving user on whose behalf the delivery is
made. In
the absence of a user context, the local(8) daemon uses the
owner
rights of the :include: file or alias database. When those
files are
owned by the superuser, delivery is made with the rights
specified with
the default_privs configuration parameter.


This says that Postfix executes the wrapper as the user who owns the
alias database in which the pipe to the wrapper is found which is
mailman, not root.

Do you have Mailman aliases in /etc/aliases too? Even that shouldn't
cause this problem as (you said) /etc/aliases.db is owned by root and
that should cause Postfix to execute any pipes found there as the
default-privs user which is normally 'nobody'.

This appears to be a Postfix issue of some kind, or perhaps not.

How is mutt delivering mail? In your log excerpt I only see
I see nothing preceding this that indicates Postfix received the mail
and tried to pipe it to the wrapper. I only see over two minutes later
Which looks like a successful delivery to me. Is Mailman running? Is
this message in qfiles/in? What happened to it?

>>
>>>
message
test at list.xyz.com?

>>
did:
"root".
>

>


If this means nothing then way is it displayed? It is a worrysome message for the first time maillist admin.


see in /var/log/maillog
system
2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix
Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following
groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail server
executed the mail script as group: "root". Try tweaking the mail
server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman,
nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option:
'--with-mail-gid=root'.

>

>
>

>
"user".
>

>
>
/etc/mailman/aliases
/etc/mailman/aliases.db

>

>
>

>
>
system
2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix
Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following
groups: [mail, postfix, mailman, nobody, daemon], but the system's mail server
executed the mail script as group: "root". Try tweaking the mail
server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, postfix, mailman,
nobody, daemon], or re-run configure providing the command line option:
'--with-mail-gid=root'.

>
>
nrcpt=1 (queue active)
relay=local, delay=0.51, delays=0.25/0.05/0/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
>

No there are no mailman aliases in the /etc/aliases file. Mutt should be using the local postfix server to send the message. I checked /etc/Muttrc and there is no setting for smtp.


Mailman is running. Logging in as root and doing:

# su mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test

This account is currently not available.



# sudo -u mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test

The system just sits there and does nothing. There is only 1 account
signed up for the mail list so it should take 10 minutes to do something.
It has been 10 minutes since I pressed enter and nothing has happened. I waited 30 minutes and pressed Ctrl-C. This is what I saw:Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ?
main()
File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main
inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(),
KeyboardInterrupt


How am I supposed to post to the maillist if I can't do it from root or a user
account. I can't login into the system as mailman:

# cat /etc/passwd

mailman:x:41:41:GNU Mailing List Manager:/usr/lib/mailman:/sbin/nologin




The following is everything from the /var/log/maillog since I turn the PC on

this morning:



Aug 3 08:24:18 list postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail

system

Aug 3 08:24:18 list postfix/master[2468]: daemon started -- version

2.3.3, configuration /etc/postfix

Aug 3 08:25:02 list postfix/pickup[2472]: 38DFD8604E0: uidA

from
Aug 3 08:25:02 list postfix/cleanup[2711]: 38DFD8604E0:

message-id
Aug 3 08:25:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 38DFD8604E0:
from=,

sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:25:02 list postfix/local[2713]: 38DFD8604E0:
to=,

orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.56, delays=0.28/0.05/0/0.23,

dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

post mailman)

Aug 3 08:25:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 38DFD8604E0: removed

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/smtpd[2715]: connect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/smtpd[2715]: BEB718604DD:

client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/cleanup[2711]: BEB718604DD:

message-id
Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: BEB718604DD:

from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/smtpd[2715]: disconnect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/local[2713]: BEB718604DD:
to=,

relay=local, delay=0.09, delays=0.01/0/0/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent

(delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:25:03 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: BEB718604DD: removed

Aug 3 08:30:01 list postfix/pickup[2472]: 694258604E0: uidA

from
Aug 3 08:30:01 list postfix/cleanup[2723]: 694258604E0:

message-id
Aug 3 08:30:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 694258604E0:
from=,

sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:30:01 list postfix/local[2725]: 694258604E0:
to=,

orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.31, delays=0.14/0.01/0/0.16,

dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

post mailman)

Aug 3 08:30:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 694258604E0: removed

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: connect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: DCB7F8604DD:

client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/cleanup[2723]: DCB7F8604DD:

message-id
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: DCB7F8604DD:

from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: disconnect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/local[2725]: DCB7F8604DD:
to=,

relay=local, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent

(delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: DCB7F8604DD: removed

Aug 3 08:35:01 list postfix/pickup[2472]: 92E238604E0: uidA

from
Aug 3 08:35:01 list postfix/cleanup[2735]: 92E238604E0:

message-id
Aug 3 08:35:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 92E238604E0:
from=,

sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:35:01 list postfix/local[2737]: 92E238604E0: to=,

orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.41, delays=0.13/0.01/0/0.27,

dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

post mailman)

Aug 3 08:35:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 92E238604E0: removed

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/smtpd[2739]: connect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/smtpd[2739]: E853B8604DD:

client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/cleanup[2735]: E853B8604DD:

message-id
Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: E853B8604DD:

from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/smtpd[2739]: disconnect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/local[2737]: E853B8604DD:
to=,

relay=local, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent

(delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:35:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: E853B8604DD: removed

Aug 3 08:40:02 list postfix/pickup[2472]: 1E5398604F5: uidA

from
Aug 3 08:40:02 list postfix/cleanup[2836]: 1E5398604F5:

message-id
Aug 3 08:40:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 1E5398604F5:
from=,

sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:40:02 list postfix/local[2838]: 1E5398604F5:
to=,

orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.43, delays=0.25/0.01/0/0.17,

dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

post mailman)

Aug 3 08:40:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 1E5398604F5: removed

Aug 3 08:40:04 list postfix/smtpd[2840]: connect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/smtpd[2840]: 00ED08604E3:
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/cleanup[2836]: 00ED08604E3:

message-id
Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 00ED08604E3:

from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/smtpd[2840]: disconnect from

localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/local[2838]: 00ED08604E3:
to=,

relay=local, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent

(delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:40:05 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 00ED08604E3: removed

Aug 3 08:45:01 list postfix/pickup[2472]: 64CBB8604F5: uidA
from
Aug 3 08:45:01 list postfix/cleanup[2923]: 64CBB8604F5:
message-id
Aug 3 08:45:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 64CBB8604F5:
from=, sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:45:01 list postfix/local[2925]: 64CBB8604F5:
to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.29,
delays=0.12/0.01/0/0.16, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman)

Aug 3 08:45:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 64CBB8604F5: removed

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/smtpd[2927]: connect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/smtpd[2927]: 0EA3D8604E3:
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/cleanup[2923]: 0EA3D8604E3:
message-id
Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 0EA3D8604E3:
from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/smtpd[2927]: disconnect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/local[2925]: 0EA3D8604E3:
to=, relay=local, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:45:04 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 0EA3D8604E3: removed

Aug 3 08:50:01 list postfix/pickup[2472]: AAA1E8604F5: uidA
from
Aug 3 08:50:01 list postfix/cleanup[2936]: AAA1E8604F5:
message-id
Aug 3 08:50:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: AAA1E8604F5:
from=, sizeb5, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:50:01 list postfix/local[2938]: AAA1E8604F5:
to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0.3,
delays=0.13/0.01/0/0.16, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman)

Aug 3 08:50:01 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: AAA1E8604F5: removed

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/smtpd[2940]: connect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/smtpd[2940]: 1C3DA8604E3:
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/cleanup[2936]: 1C3DA8604E3:
message-id
Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 1C3DA8604E3:
from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/smtpd[2940]: disconnect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/local[2938]: 1C3DA8604E3:
to=, relay=local, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)

Aug 3 08:50:04 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: 1C3DA8604E3: removed


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It is displayed because you ran the wrapper from the command line as
root and root's group is not allowed to run the wrapper.

It means nothing because that is not how mail is delivered to Mailman.
Mail is delivered by the MTA executing the wrapper, so the only
meaningful test is to run the wrapper as the same group that the MTA
runs it.



[...]

And as I said in a follow-up post and LuKreme said in a reply, the
above log message was logged by the wrapper when you ran it by hand as
root.


And mutt is delivering to Postfix and Postfix is successfully
delivering to Mailman per the above.


It's reading your message from stdin which is your terminal. So no
group mismatch.


You are successfully posting to Mailman from mutt. You could also
successfully post from the command line via

sudo -u mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test < file

where file contains your email message with headers and body, or by
doing what you did and then typing the headers and body of the message
followed by control-D.

I'm not saying you don't have a delivery problem somewhere, but it is
not a group mismatch and it is not a Postfix issue. it is somewhere
beyond that. The message you posted with mutt got to Mailman's 'in'
queue. You need to start looking for what happened after that. Read
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.




Above is a successful delivery of a post to the 'mailman' list.


And this looks like a successful delivery of some kind of response from
Mailman. What was in this message?

[followed by repeats of the same scenario]

Now that I've thought about this a bit more, I think I see it more
clearly. To summarize, the above message was written by the wrapper
itself when you ran it from the command line as root.


And these messages indicate a successful delivery to the wrapper by
Postfix with no group mismatch error of the message you sent with mutt.

So you don't have a group mismatch problem. The only group mismatch
errors occur when you run the wrapper by hand as the 'wrong' user
which is supposed to produce the group mismatch error so everything is
working.

If your posts are not reaching the 'mailman' list, there is some reason
other than aliases or group mismatch for it. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.

1)
# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
This could allow other users on your system to read private archives.
If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
installation manual on how to fix this.
No problems found

2a)
# ps aux |grep cron |grep -v grep
root 2503 0.0 0.1 5288 1208 ? Ss 08:24 0:00 crond
root 2519 0.0 0.0 1668 624 ? SNs 08:24 0:00 anacron -s

2b)
# ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
mailman 2615 0.0 0.5 13060 4880 ? Ss 08:24 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start

3)
# grep wrapper /etc/aliases
no results
# grep mailman /etc/aliases
no results

Since my aliases aren't in /etc/aliases I ran the following too:
# grep wrapper /etc/mailman/aliases
no results

# grep mailman /etc/mailman/aliases
mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
# STANZA START: mailman
mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman
test: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"

4) Not applicable as sendmail is not installed.
5) Not applicable as sendmail is not installed.

6a) not applicable as I am using 2.1.9-4.el5
6b) no command to run
7) I can't find the locks.
8)
#cat /var/log/mailman/smtp
Aug 03 08:25:03 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.101 seconds
Aug 03 08:30:02 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.040 seconds
Aug 03 08:35:02 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.040 seconds
Aug 03 08:40:05 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.039 seconds
Aug 03 08:45:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 seconds
Aug 03 08:50:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 08:55:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.040 seconds
Aug 03 09:00:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 09:00:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.052 seconds
Aug 03 09:05:03 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 09:10:03 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 09:15:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 09:20:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.041 seconds
Aug 03 09:25:04 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 seconds

#cat /var/log/mailman/qrunner
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2617) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2620) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2619) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2623) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2625) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2621) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2618) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2622) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

The rest were empty or didn't exist.

9) All folders are empty.
10) I added SMTPHOST='127.0.0.1' to my mm_cfy.py, restarted mailman, service stop mailman, service start mailman, tried sudo -u mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post sjpd
and it still didn't do anything.
11) No mm-handler found

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Mailman is delivering mail to Postfix and from your previously posted
Postfix log, Postfix is delivering it to someone's maildir, e.g.
(corresponding to the second message above)

Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: connect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: DCB7F8604DD:
client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/cleanup[2723]: DCB7F8604DD:
message-idAug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: DCB7F8604DD:
from=, size52, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/smtpd[2727]: disconnect from
localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/local[2725]: DCB7F8604DD:
to=,
relay=local, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
(delivered to maildir)
Aug 3 08:30:02 list postfix/qmgr[2473]: DCB7F8604DD: removed


Perhaps you should try to find this mail. Since you've elided all the
message-id's, I can't tell if this is a delivered post or a notice
about a held message. I'm confused about that because you say there's
no vette log which indicates the post wasn't held, but if it was
delivered, there should be a post log entry, and you say there's no
post log either.

[...]
[ I don't think i've seen this in the mail-exchanges so far ]

It may be useful to check the list-members of the 'mailman' list, too.
(either via list_members, or the web-interface)

Is the recipient of the list what you expect it to be?

(I'm by no means a Postfix fan)

<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-August/066667.html>

<quote>
8)
#cat /var/log/mailman/smtp
Aug 03 08:25:03 2009 (2622) smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in
0.101 seconds
<snip>

#cat /var/log/mailman/qrunner
Aug 03 08:24:27 2009 (2617) ArchRunner qrunner started.
<snip>

The rest were empty or didn't exist.
</quote>

Right. The error message is quite clear. Why do you think running the
command as root WOULD work?

try su mailman ( or sudo -u mailman ) and then run the command.
And why do you think that would work? Again, the error message is
quite clear.

What is the problem? It looks to me like everything is working properly.

Since the mailman account on a centos and redhat system is setup as nologin how else would you send a post?
I tried to post a message to the list. I started mutt, pressed m, to: test at xyz.com, subject test, wrote this is a test :wq, pressed y to send.
If the mailman user can't login can I post to the list?

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Via SMTP to the incoming MTA.


And it worked. Your message was delivered to Mailman.


The Mailman user doesn't ever need to log in. The MTA pipes the post to
the wrapper which invokes the proper script to queue it for Mailman.

It appears that part of my problem is that I didn't understand how to properly send a message. I have postfix only listening on the loopback interface. It appears like I will have to change the config so it listens on the eth0 interface. Then I have to setup user authentication on postfix. Finally I have to open the smtp port on the firewall. I was hoping that I could just use the local mutt to post a message. Does this sound about right?

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No. This does not sound right. Your messages from Mutt are being
delivered to Mailman with your current setup. And Mailman's replies
are being accepted and delivered by Postfix.

As long as you don't care that non-local users will not be able to
subscribe or post or send commands to Mailman via email and you don't
care that external bounces can't be delivered back to Mailman, you
don't need an MTA listening on an external interface.

Even if you do want those things, you don't need user authentication.
User authentication is onnly needed if you want to relay mail from
non-local to non-local. It is not required to accept external mail on
port 25 and deliver it locally.

I am still concerned that you don't think you are successfully posting
to Mailman from your local Mutt. You are! Look in your maildir
directory and find the messages from Mailman.