[Mailman-Users] mailman installation and domains - confused

These things shouldn't be in /etc/postfix/virtual.


This is not a Mailman issue. This is probably fetchmail that is
delivering the message to about-dummy at localhost.



With MTA = 'Postfix'. Mailman will maintain both aliases in
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and virtual maps (if necessary?) in
/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, but you have issues that will
probably preclude this from working.

If fetchmail is going to deliver to addresses like

LISTNAME at localhost
LISTNAME-bounces at localhost
etc,

and localhost is in mydestination as it appears to be, you only need
aliases and not virtual maps.

Thus both what you have in mm_cfg.py and what you have in main.cf looks
OK.


If you have mail being given to Postfix for LISTNAME at company.com, you
can add

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['company.com']

in mm_cfg.py and, assuming the list's email domain is company.com (see
my reply to your other post), Mailman will generate virtual maps like

LISTNAME at company.com LISTNAME
LISTNAME-bounces at company.com LISTNAME-bounces
etc,

in /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman and you need to add
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_maps in
main.cf.

If you actually need multiple domains for the same list in the virtual
maps, Mailman won't do that automatically.

Hi Mark,

thanks.
I have done all changes, but If I sent an email to a list,
I get an error message, because 'user unknown':

Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: Nachricht
about-dummy at www.company.de:1 von 1 wird gelesen (2783 Bytes)
(Log-Meldung unvollst?ndig)
Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: SMTP-Fehler: 550 5.1.1
<about-dummy at localhost>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
local recipient table

Why??

How can tell the server mail, that about-dummy at localhost exists, without use
postfix/virtual?

Oliver


Mark Sapiro schrieb:

It looks like fetchmail is trying to deliver to Postfix and Postfix is
replying

550 5.1.1 <about-dummy at localhost>: Recipient address rejected: User
unknown in local recipient table


This has nothing to do with virtual maps because it is looking locally
for the address. It says there is no local alias for about-dummy.

Have you reloaded Postfix since you added
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps in main.cf?

Are the aliases actually in /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and is
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db up to date? If not, try running
Mailman's bin/genaliases.

I've done this!
How have to look the mailman/data/aliases ?
I have this entries:
...
# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Thu Feb 26 16:55:35 2009
mailman: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: about-dummy
# CREATED: Thu Feb 26 16:55:35 2009
about-dummy: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post about-dummy"
about-dummy-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin
about-dummy"
about-dummy-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
about-dummy"
about-dummy-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
about-dummy"
about-dummy-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join about-dummy"
about-dummy-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave
about-dummy"
about-dummy-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner
about-dummy"
about-dummy-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request
about-dummy"
about-dummy-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
about-dummy"
about-dummy-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
about-dummy"
# STANZA END: about-dummy

:-/ It dosn't work.
Perhaps, the open xchange configuration makes problems? But open xchange
is here not
the mailing list - who has open xchange AND mailman installed?

Oliver

OK.


What are ownership and permissions of /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
and /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db?

What are the Postfix log entries corresponding to the

Feb 26 12:37:13 mail fetchmail[6236]: SMTP-Fehler: 550 5.1.1
<about-dummy at localhost>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
local recipient table

fetchmail entry?

-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1973 2009-02-26 18:05 aliases
-rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 12288 2009-02-26 18:05 aliases.db
/var/log/mail.err :
Feb 26 18:20:01 mail fetchmail[32117]: Nachricht
about-dummy at company.com@www.company.de:1 von 1 wird gelesen (2126 Bytes)
(Log-Meldung unvollst?ndig)
Feb 26 18:20:01 mail fetchmail[32117]: SMTP-Fehler: 550 5.1.1
<about-dummy at localhost>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
local recipient table

/var/log/mail.log :
Feb 26 18:20:02 mail cyrus/lmtpunix[32530]: accepted connection
Feb 26 18:20:02 mail cyrus/lmtpunix[32530]: lmtp connection preauth'd as
postman
Feb 26 18:20:02 mail cyrus/lmtpunix[32530]:
verify_user(mail.intern.company.de!user.administrator) failed: Mailbox
does not exist
Feb 26 18:20:02 mail postfix/lmtp[32529]: 56B0B97C2A0:
to=<administrator at mail.intern.company.de>,
relay=mail.intern.company.de[/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp], delay=0.28,
delays=0.13/0.01/0.05/0.09, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host
mail.intern.company.de[/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp] said: 550-Mailbox
unknown. Either there is no mailbox associated with this 550-name or
you do not have authorization to see it. 550 5.1.1 User unknown (in
reply to RCPT TO command))

/etc/fetchmailrc:
set postmaster "Administrator"
set bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties ""
set daemon 180
poll www.company.de with proto POP3
user "about-dummy at company.com" there with password "secret" is
"about-dummy" here ;

Here I tried
about-dummy / is here about-dummy
about-dummy / is here about-dummy at testingtech.com
-> same error.

*grmpf*
and now?

Bye
Oliver

Presumably this message results from fetchmail's attempt to deliver the
mail via SMTP to port 25 on the fetchmail machine, but I see nothing
in the Postfix log that relates to this delivery. Either you're not
showing it to me or fetchmail isn't delivering via this path.

Note that the cyrus and postfix entries below are from an attempt to
deliver to administrator at mail.intern.company.de, not to
about-dummy at localhost. Also, fetchmail is reporting the failure at
18:20:01, so any postfix log entries related to this should be at that
time or earlier, not at 18:20:02.

Oliver Glueck's first post has the right config parameter,
but it still wouldn't hurt to verify what postfix
think's it's alias maps are:

# postconf | grep ^alias_maps
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Likewise, in the "verify assumptions" category, it
would not hurt to see that postmap has the alias
entry:

# postmap -q about-dummy hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post about-dummy"

Karl <kop at meme.com>
Free Software: "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
-- Robert A. Heinlein

ok, here comes some log files, attached as logs-about-dummy.txt

The entry with user.administrator mailbox does not exists...I have changed
in fetchmailrc the set postmaster to 'set postmaster "oxadmin"'

I think, the problem is open xchange: I don't know, where I have to
configure the special files. Not really.

In /etc/postfix/main.cf you can read:
# Warning: This file is auto-generated and might be overwritten by
# univention-config-registry.
# Please edit the files in the following directory instead:
# Warnung: Diese Datei wurde automatisch generiert und kann durch
# univention-config-registry ueberschrieben werden.
# Bitte bearbeiten Sie an Stelle dessen die Dateien in
# folgendem Verzeichnis:
#
# /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/master.cf.d

But the name of the folder
"/etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/master.cf.d"
is not clear, because I will edit the main.cf, not master..
The content of /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/master.cf.d :
ls -al /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/master.cf.d
insgesamt 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-02-26 17:05 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2009-02-26 12:01 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3263 2008-11-03 14:21 10_services
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1035 2008-11-08 01:51 30_antivir
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1091 2008-11-03 14:21 60_ox

And /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/main.cf.d/ :
ls -al /etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/main.cf.d/
insgesamt 32
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-02-27 08:53 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2009-02-26 12:01 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3167 2008-11-03 14:21 10_general
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 403 2009-02-26 12:10 30_maps
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2939 2008-11-03 14:21 40_ldap
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 200 2008-11-03 14:21 50_ox
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 625 2008-11-03 14:21 60_tls
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 531 2009-02-26 12:12 80_delivery

In 30_maps I have add the alias_maps....but it doesn't work
and the same result is, If I add this in etc/postfix/main.cf

Sorry for the long log file.
But I need help :-(
Remember: If I add entries about-dummy at ....in postfix/virtual,
it works! But I don't have to do it so.

@Karl:
postconf..don't show me the mailman aliases, only the default.
(with configured 30_maps in
/etc/univention/templates/files/etc/postfix/main.cf.d/
After I added this lines in postfix/main.cf postconf shows me the
right entry, but it doesn't work.

Oliver

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

Could be. But, these are not Mailman questions, and while I do know
something about Postfix and a bit about fetchmail and can try to help
with that, These questions might better be answered elsewhere.


<snip>

OK. Here Postfix has received the connect from fetchmail and rejected
the mail for <about-dummy at localhost> because "User unknown in local
recipient table".


And here fetchmail reports the reject.

You say if you have entries for about-dummy at ... in postfix/virtual, it
works. Do these look like

about-dummy at localhost about-dummy


If so, it appears that without this, Postfix is not treating
about-dummy at localhost as the local address about-dummy, even though it
says it's looking for a local recipient.

You could try telling fetchmail

user "about-dummy at company.com" there with password "secret" is
"about-dummy at company.com" here ;

Then you could put

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['company.com']

in mm_cfg.py to make Mailman-Postfix integration create virtual-mailman
with entries like

about-dummy at company.com about-dummy

Then you also add hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to
virtual_alias_maps and company.com to virtual_alias_domains in main.cf.

Either that, or perhaps you can make fetchmail deliver to just
about-dummy instead of about-dummy at localhost.

I don't really understand why it isn't working as it is if Postfix is
actually seeing the Mailman aliases.

You could try putting a

about-dummy: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post about-dummy"

alias in /etc/aliases and running "newaliases" and see if that works.
It probably won't "work", but it may deliver to Mailman and return a
group mismatch error. If so, then postfix is not seeing the Mailman
aliases in usr/local/mailman/data/aliases(.db) for some reason.

So the next step is using postmap -q to check that the
entry has gotten into the hash db.

Karl <kop at meme.com>
Free Software: "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
-- Robert A. Heinlein