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Hi.
I posted on this list sometime ago regarding a problem happening after I
moved a mailman installation.
I thought that the problem had been fixed but today I went to check the
archives and noticed they stopped at the same time I moved the mailman
files.
This is the last entry in my error log:

Feb 19 12:08:39 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
1235041717.338851+bdcc479aac14874fbec763cf0e1022c45bc65d1e
Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'
Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 215, in
ArchiveMail
h.close()
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in close
self.write_TOC()
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
write_TOC
toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'

Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
1235045618.2635429+2b370b4b48cfad3b14f5744a3e408e220ec4079c


And the permissions on "index.html" are:

dell-srv2:~# ls -alh /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html
-rw-r--r-- 1 root list 9.8K 2009-01-18 12:27
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html


I ran several times check_perms -f and it says all is fixed.

-JK

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  • Mark Sapiro at Feb 20, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Jack Knowlton wrote:
    I posted on this list sometime ago regarding a problem happening after I
    moved a mailman installation.
    I thought that the problem had been fixed but today I went to check the
    archives and noticed they stopped at the same time I moved the mailman
    files.
    This is the last entry in my error log:

    Feb 19 12:08:39 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
    1235041717.338851+bdcc479aac14874fbec763cf0e1022c45bc65d1e
    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
    Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'
    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 215, in
    ArchiveMail
    h.close()
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in close
    self.write_TOC()
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
    write_TOC
    toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
    IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
    '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'

    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
    1235045618.2635429+2b370b4b48cfad3b14f5744a3e408e220ec4079c


    And the permissions on "index.html" are:

    dell-srv2:~# ls -alh /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 9.8K 2009-01-18 12:27
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html


    I ran several times check_perms -f and it says all is fixed.

    check_perms is lying (actually, there are many files, as opposed to
    directories, that check_perms doesn't check). The above file and all
    files in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ excluding those in
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*/database/ need to be group
    writable.

    Once you fix these permissions, you could run bin/unshunt to add the
    shunted messages to the archive, but there is an issue in that the
    messages have been successfully added to
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox, and
    unshunting will add them again.

    Rather than trying to fix archive permissions, I suggest you verify
    that /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
    contains all the lists posts from inception to date, and mayby verify
    there are no stray "From " lines in message bodies with bin/cleanarch,
    and then stop Mailman and rebuild the archive with

    bin/arch --wipe listname

    and then start Mailman. This way, the pipermail archive will be
    completely rebuilt with correct permissions.

    This is one reason why I always recommend when moving lists to just
    move the LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file and build the archive on the
    new machine with bin/arch.

    Note if you do this, remove the shunted messages from qfiles/shunt/ so
    they don't accidently get unshunted in the future.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Jack Knowlton at Feb 21, 2009 at 9:01 am

    On Fri, February 20, 2009 6:11 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
    Jack Knowlton wrote:
    I posted on this list sometime ago regarding a problem happening after I
    moved a mailman installation.
    I thought that the problem had been fixed but today I went to check the
    archives and noticed they stopped at the same time I moved the mailman
    files.
    This is the last entry in my error log:

    Feb 19 12:08:39 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
    1235041717.338851+bdcc479aac14874fbec763cf0e1022c45bc65d1e
    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13]
    Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'
    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
    _dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 215, in
    ArchiveMail
    h.close()
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 324, in
    close
    self.write_TOC()
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1097, in
    write_TOC
    toc = open(os.path.join(self.basedir, 'index.html'), 'w')
    IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
    '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html'

    Feb 19 13:13:42 2009 (17573) SHUNTING:
    1235045618.2635429+2b370b4b48cfad3b14f5744a3e408e220ec4079c


    And the permissions on "index.html" are:

    dell-srv2:~# ls -alh /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 9.8K 2009-01-18 12:27
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist/index.html


    I ran several times check_perms -f and it says all is fixed.

    check_perms is lying (actually, there are many files, as opposed to
    directories, that check_perms doesn't check). The above file and all
    files in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ excluding those in
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/*/database/ need to be group
    writable.

    Once you fix these permissions, you could run bin/unshunt to add the
    shunted messages to the archive, but there is an issue in that the
    messages have been successfully added to
    /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox, and
    unshunting will add them again.

    Rather than trying to fix archive permissions, I suggest you verify
    that /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
    contains all the lists posts from inception to date, and mayby verify
    there are no stray "From " lines in message bodies with bin/cleanarch,
    and then stop Mailman and rebuild the archive with

    bin/arch --wipe listname

    and then start Mailman. This way, the pipermail archive will be
    completely rebuilt with correct permissions.

    This is one reason why I always recommend when moving lists to just
    move the LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file and build the archive on the
    new machine with bin/arch.

    Note if you do this, remove the shunted messages from qfiles/shunt/ so
    they don't accidently get unshunted in the future.
    That looks like a great solution, but I can't find neither the "cleanarch"
    nor the "arch" binary. (I installed mailman from debian apt)

    -JK
  • Mark Sapiro at Feb 21, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Jack Knowlton wrote:
    That looks like a great solution, but I can't find neither the "cleanarch"
    nor the "arch" binary. (I installed mailman from debian apt)

    According to <http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/mailman/filelist>,
    they are in /usr/lib/mailman/bin/.

    If they're not there, try

    locate cleanarch

    or

    find / -print -name cleanarch.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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