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Hi,
I have my account hosted on bluehost. I have 5 new email lists that have
been transferred to me from other mailman lists on a closing isp.

The problem is there are delays from when a message is receive until it is
sent out. Blue host support tells me that mailman only supports up to 150
subscribers per list. Is this true?

What other reason could there be for such a problem. They tell me that
phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.

Is there some response to this I could refer them to.

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  • Larry Stone at Aug 29, 2007 at 11:22 am

    On 8/29/07 2:52 AM, wittygal at diane at wittygal.com wrote:

    Hi,
    I have my account hosted on bluehost. I have 5 new email lists that have
    been transferred to me from other mailman lists on a closing isp.

    The problem is there are delays from when a message is receive until it is
    sent out. Blue host support tells me that mailman only supports up to 150
    subscribers per list. Is this true?
    No. There are people running mailman with thousands of people on a list. I
    think there is some information on this in FAQ.
    What other reason could there be for such a problem. They tell me that
    phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
    Other reasons? Misconfiguration by them; resource limits they've applied.
    Who knows other than them.

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  • Mark Sapiro at Aug 29, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Larry Stone wrote:
    On 8/29/07 2:52 AM, wittygal at diane at wittygal.com wrote:

    Blue host support tells me that mailman only supports up to 150
    subscribers per list. Is this true?
    No. There are people running mailman with thousands of people on a list. I
    think there is some information on this in FAQ.

    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>

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  • Brad Knowles at Aug 29, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    The problem is there are delays from when a message is receive until it is
    sent out. Blue host support tells me that mailman only supports up to 150
    subscribers per list. Is this true?
    As far as the Mailman code is concerned, there is no hard limit to
    the number of subscribers you can have. There are performance issues
    that you are more likely to run into as you try to scale into the
    hundreds of thousands of subscribers, but there is no hard limit
    imposed by our code.

    To get more of an idea of what is possible with Mailman, see FAQ 1.15
    at
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.
    What other reason could there be for such a problem.
    I strongly suspect that they are doing rate-limiting on their mail
    servers, which is causing problems for Mailman. FAQ 4.51 at
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.051.htp>
    discusses the issue of Mailman and rate-limiting, although it's not
    directly related to the problem you're having.
    They tell me that
    phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
    That's a total load of bull. Some of the largest mailing lists and
    mailing list servers in the world are running Mailman. I've been a
    professional Unix system administrator for almost twenty years, and
    I've been specializing in Internet e-mail administration for about
    fifteen years, including two years as the Sr. Internet Mail
    Administrator for America Online. Over the years, I've worked with
    many different mailing list managers. Until today, I had never heard
    of this "phplist" program.

    I guarantee you that whatever this "phplist" program is, they don't
    have the number of installations we do, or the scale.
    Is there some response to this I could refer them to.
    Well, you could first have them read each and every entry in the
    Mailman FAQ Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, and
    then have them tell you why they are not properly supporting the
    product that they have installed and made available to you.

    Alternatively, you could find another provider that is more
    responsive to your requirements. See FAQ 1.17 at
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>
    for links to lists of alternative providers you may want to take a
    look at.

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  • Mark Sapiro at Aug 29, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    Brad Knowles wrote:
    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    They tell me that
    phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
    That's a total load of bull.

    Agreed.

    First, phplist only does one-way (announcement) lists so if you want a
    discussion list, phplist is not an option.

    Second, if phplist on bluehost is able to deliver mail to many
    recipients faster than Mailman on bluehost, this is a result of
    conscious or unconscious configuration decisions made by bluehost in
    the installation of Mailman, phplist and their MTAs. It is not because
    of any inherent superiority of phplist.

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  • Wittygal at Aug 29, 2007 at 4:23 pm
    Well, it seemed like a load of bull. Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?

    And how would I find it. You see I am doing this as a charity thing for
    about 5 online email groups for debtorsanonymous.org

    I thought this should be a no sweat thing since I supposedly can have
    unlimited email lists under my premium subscription.

    Thanks for the info. I am going to try to get back with them with regard to
    this and point them to the url in question for the faqs. Does anyone have a
    problem with me copying select portions of your emails on this subject?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 AM
    To: Brad Knowles; wittygal; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for
    eachlist?

    Brad Knowles wrote:
    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    They tell me that
    phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
    That's a total load of bull.

    Agreed.

    First, phplist only does one-way (announcement) lists so if you want a
    discussion list, phplist is not an option.

    Second, if phplist on bluehost is able to deliver mail to many
    recipients faster than Mailman on bluehost, this is a result of
    conscious or unconscious configuration decisions made by bluehost in
    the installation of Mailman, phplist and their MTAs. It is not because
    of any inherent superiority of phplist.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Brian Carpenter at Aug 29, 2007 at 5:02 pm
    It is possible that Bluehost is limiting the amount of messages that are
    sent out from your account per hour. This is called smtp throttling and it
    is a common practice amount hosting companies. Another issue is that your
    mailing lists could simply be on a very busy server that is not able to keep
    up with mail delivery. What is troubling is the answer you received from
    Bluehost which reveals their ignorance about mailman.

    " Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?"

    Yes there is. We offer a special service for those who run mailman mailing
    lists. You can read more about our service at
    http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html.

    Kind regards,
    Brian Carpenter
    --------------------------------------
    EMWD - Executive Officer


    -----Original Message-----
    From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org
    [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
    wittygal
    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:24 PM
    To: 'Mark Sapiro'
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for
    eachlist?

    Well, it seemed like a load of bull. Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?

    And how would I find it. You see I am doing this as a charity thing for
    about 5 online email groups for debtorsanonymous.org

    I thought this should be a no sweat thing since I supposedly can have
    unlimited email lists under my premium subscription.

    Thanks for the info. I am going to try to get back with them with regard to
    this and point them to the url in question for the faqs. Does anyone have a
    problem with me copying select portions of your emails on this subject?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 AM
    To: Brad Knowles; wittygal; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for
    eachlist?

    Brad Knowles wrote:
    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    They tell me that
    phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
    That's a total load of bull.

    Agreed.

    First, phplist only does one-way (announcement) lists so if you want a
    discussion list, phplist is not an option.

    Second, if phplist on bluehost is able to deliver mail to many
    recipients faster than Mailman on bluehost, this is a result of
    conscious or unconscious configuration decisions made by bluehost in
    the installation of Mailman, phplist and their MTAs. It is not because
    of any inherent superiority of phplist.

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  • Brad Knowles at Aug 29, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    Well, it seemed like a load of bull. Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?
    Sure. Some Mailman-specific hosting groups are listed in FAQ 1.17 at
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>,
    and there are other groups there that do more general hosting but
    which also provide Mailman hosting as part of their package of
    services.
    And how would I find it. You see I am doing this as a charity thing for
    about 5 online email groups for debtorsanonymous.org
    FAQ 1.17 has a partial list of Mailman-specific hosting sites, but
    I'm sure there are other sites that have similar lists of providers.
    I thought this should be a no sweat thing since I supposedly can have
    unlimited email lists under my premium subscription.
    Funny thing about that word "unlimited". It doesn't actually mean
    "unlimited" anymore. Now it means:

    We don't advertise any limits because we want to get your business
    at any cost, but as soon as you exceed the low limits we secretly
    place on you, we'll kick your sorry butt out the door as quickly
    as we possibly can.

    It's kind of like that secret no-fly list that no one can ever tell
    you whether or not you're on the list or how you got on it or how you
    can get off it, but they won't let you fly if your name is there.
    Thanks for the info. I am going to try to get back with them with regard to
    this and point them to the url in question for the faqs. Does anyone have a
    problem with me copying select portions of your emails on this subject?
    Feel free to quote any of my messages, and if they have any further
    questions I'll be more than happy to whop them upside the head with a
    clue-by-four.

    --
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  • Brian Luria at Aug 29, 2007 at 6:30 pm
    I am actually using bluehost as well (recently started)
    Haven't reached a limit for now - I was having major delays with messages
    being sent - found out it was b/c I was sharing a server with mulitple other
    users so we would all be in 'que' waiting for a msg to be sent.

    So, a thought I had - is it a 'crazy' idea to set up my own webserver and
    install mailman on it? Or is that a bit too much.

    Not sure if anyone out there has done that.

    On 8/29/07, Brad Knowles wrote:
    On 8/29/07, wittygal wrote:

    Well, it seemed like a load of bull. Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?
    Sure. Some Mailman-specific hosting groups are listed in FAQ 1.17 at
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>,
    and there are other groups there that do more general hosting but
    which also provide Mailman hosting as part of their package of
    services.
    And how would I find it. You see I am doing this as a charity thing for
    about 5 online email groups for debtorsanonymous.org
    FAQ 1.17 has a partial list of Mailman-specific hosting sites, but
    I'm sure there are other sites that have similar lists of providers.
    I thought this should be a no sweat thing since I supposedly can have
    unlimited email lists under my premium subscription.
    Funny thing about that word "unlimited". It doesn't actually mean
    "unlimited" anymore. Now it means:

    We don't advertise any limits because we want to get your business
    at any cost, but as soon as you exceed the low limits we secretly
    place on you, we'll kick your sorry butt out the door as quickly
    as we possibly can.

    It's kind of like that secret no-fly list that no one can ever tell
    you whether or not you're on the list or how you got on it or how you
    can get off it, but they won't let you fly if your name is there.
    Thanks for the info. I am going to try to get back with them with regard to
    this and point them to the url in question for the faqs. Does anyone have a
    problem with me copying select portions of your emails on this subject?
    Feel free to quote any of my messages, and if they have any further
    questions I'll be more than happy to whop them upside the head with a
    clue-by-four.

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  • Dragon at Aug 29, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Brian Luria wrote:
    I am actually using bluehost as well (recently started)
    Haven't reached a limit for now - I was having major delays with messages
    being sent - found out it was b/c I was sharing a server with mulitple other
    users so we would all be in 'que' waiting for a msg to be sent.

    So, a thought I had - is it a 'crazy' idea to set up my own webserver and
    install mailman on it? Or is that a bit too much.

    Not sure if anyone out there has done that.
    ---------------- End original message. ---------------------

    Why is that crazy?

    Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a
    friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want.

    If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For
    people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit
    organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that
    won't cost an arm and a leg.

    Dragon

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  • Larry Stone at Aug 29, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Dragon wrote:

    Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a
    friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want.
    If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For
    people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit
    organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that
    won't cost an arm and a leg.
    Other than my time of installing it and configuring it, I have no costs. I
    run it on my iMac that sits at home. My DSL provider has no problems with
    servers. Volume is low enough that my 384Kbps upstream is adequate. Until
    a few months ago, that iMac was also my main desktop machine. While it's
    now a dedicated server, there's nothing about Mailman and whatever MTA you
    use that requires them to be on a dedicated server - they'll be quite
    happy to chug along in the background.

    -- Larry Stone
    lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
  • Dragon at Aug 29, 2007 at 9:43 pm
    Larry Stone sent the message below at 14:09 8/29/2007:
    On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Dragon wrote:

    Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a
    friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want.
    If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For
    people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit
    organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that
    won't cost an arm and a leg.
    Other than my time of installing it and configuring it, I have no costs. I
    run it on my iMac that sits at home. My DSL provider has no problems with
    servers. Volume is low enough that my 384Kbps upstream is adequate. Until
    a few months ago, that iMac was also my main desktop machine. While it's
    now a dedicated server, there's nothing about Mailman and whatever MTA you
    use that requires them to be on a dedicated server - they'll be quite
    happy to chug along in the background.
    ---------------- End original message. ---------------------

    The problem is that not everyone has an ISP that is willing to allow
    a user to run an SMTP server or web server on a home machine.

    The server my friend owns that hosts my stuff is on a Cox business
    account with a static IP. Cox is one of many ISPs that won't allow
    their subscribers to run such a server on a standard home broadband
    connection, they will only allow such traffic on a business account.

    As with everything, your mileage will vary.

    Dragon

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  • Yan Herndon at Aug 30, 2007 at 12:03 am
    No-ip.com will relay mail on an alt port. I;ve been running a MS SBS
    from my home on Cox home cable for about 2 years. Full exchange and
    remote access using no-ip.com to fix the DHCP issue and alt port SMTP.
    Cant beat the price/speed of a home account ;-) I think I pay about 20 a
    year for no-ip I cant remember.

    Thanks,
    Yan Herndon
    Director of Technology
    Joint Technologies LTD
    949-361-1158


    -----Original Message-----
    From: mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org
    [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+yan=jointtech.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
    Dragon
    Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:43 PM
    To: mailman mailing list
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for
    eachlist?

    Larry Stone sent the message below at 14:09 8/29/2007:
    On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Dragon wrote:

    Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by
    a
    friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want.
    If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For
    people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit
    organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that
    won't cost an arm and a leg.
    Other than my time of installing it and configuring it, I have no costs. I
    run it on my iMac that sits at home. My DSL provider has no problems with
    servers. Volume is low enough that my 384Kbps upstream is adequate. Until
    a few months ago, that iMac was also my main desktop machine. While it's
    now a dedicated server, there's nothing about Mailman and whatever MTA you
    use that requires them to be on a dedicated server - they'll be quite
    happy to chug along in the background.
    ---------------- End original message. ---------------------

    The problem is that not everyone has an ISP that is willing to allow
    a user to run an SMTP server or web server on a home machine.

    The server my friend owns that hosts my stuff is on a Cox business
    account with a static IP. Cox is one of many ISPs that won't allow
    their subscribers to run such a server on a standard home broadband
    connection, they will only allow such traffic on a business account.

    As with everything, your mileage will vary.

    Dragon

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  • Brad Knowles at Aug 29, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    On 8/29/07, Brian Luria wrote:

    So, a thought I had - is it a 'crazy' idea to set up my own webserver
    and install mailman on it? Or is that a bit too much.
    That is not a crazy idea. In fact, if you did that, you would be
    installing and using Mailman in the manner for which it was actually
    originally designed.
    Not sure if anyone out there has done that.
    In effect, that's what we are doing for python.org and all the other
    mailing lists hosted here, including this one. The folks at
    XS4ALL.nl provide the hardware and hands-on operations support, and a
    team of volunteers provides the application level installation,
    configuration, monitoring, and management. You'd just be operating
    on a somewhat smaller scale than we do.

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  • Brandon Sussman at Aug 29, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    wittygal wrote:
    Well, it seemed like a load of bull. Then they suggested I find a special
    email list provider. Is there such a thing?

    And how would I find it. You see I am doing this as a charity thing for
    about 5 online email groups for debtorsanonymous.org
    DreamHost gives away their best account to 501(c)(3) groups and supports
    MailMan just fine.

    - -- Brandon
  • Mark Sapiro at Aug 30, 2007 at 12:46 am

    wittygal wrote:
    Thanks for the info. I am going to try to get back with them with regard to
    this and point them to the url in question for the faqs. Does anyone have a
    problem with me copying select portions of your emails on this subject?

    Please feel free to quote anything I've posted in this thread or to
    provide links to the list archives, and thanks for asking.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • JB at Aug 31, 2007 at 1:42 pm
    Wittygal:

    Finally one I CAN assist with -:) !

    I am 1 of their FIRST premium account and what you need is a Level 3 Tech and Stephen Trelz has been the one who assisted me. You also HAVE to ask to have you outgoing usage opened up from 50/hr (SOP) to 500/hr. It's the little things their FAQs don't say -:).

    Also, the following is an excerpt from an announcement the Pres. sent out on 4/17/06 (spec. folder for ALL B.H. communications-:) ):
    On behalf of the development team, I'm pleased to announce the release
    of GNU Mailman 2.1.8. In this release, we have fixed a cross-site
    scripting security bug in the previous release (CVE-2006-1712),
    integrated a new version of email library (email-2.5.7), and added
    bounce processing supports for number of sites and MUAs. It is highly
    recommended that all sites using 2.1.7 and before should update to this
    release.
    Regards...

    Ed
    www.justbrits.com
  • Brad Knowles at Aug 31, 2007 at 9:12 pm
    Of course, the current version is 2.1.9, and, IIRC the reason we
    quickly moved up to that version was a security hole. And 2.1.10 is
    pretty close to release.

    --
    Brad Knowles <brad at shub-Internet.org>

    Sent from my iPhone
    On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:42 AM, "JB at comcast" wrote:

    Wittygal:

    Finally one I CAN assist with -:) !

    I am 1 of their FIRST premium account and what you need is a Level 3
    Tech and Stephen Trelz has been the one who assisted me. You also
    HAVE to ask to have you outgoing usage opened up from 50/hr (SOP) to
    500/hr. It's the little things their FAQs don't say -:).

    Also, the following is an excerpt from an announcement the Pres.
    sent out on 4/17/06 (spec. folder for ALL B.H. communications-:) ):
    On behalf of the development team, I'm pleased to announce the
    release
    of GNU Mailman 2.1.8. In this release, we have fixed a cross-site
    scripting security bug in the previous release (CVE-2006-1712),
    integrated a new version of email library (email-2.5.7), and added
    bounce processing supports for number of sites and MUAs. It is
    highly
    recommended that all sites using 2.1.7 and before should update to
    this
    release.
    Regards...

    Ed
    www.justbrits.com
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