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Hello list, I have a rather simple issue with my mailman list server, when
someone forwards an email from the list to someone else, the original
senders email address is removed.

Instead it says the usual:

From: listname-bounces at listserver.com
[mailto:listname-bounces at listserver.com] On Behalf Of John Doe
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:19 AM
To: listname at listserver.com
Subject: [Listname] Subject.

---

I read up on the general options for an individual list and saw two
functions that might be the answer but they don't seem to have any effect on
what I am trying to accomplish.
Searching the faq briefly didn't yield much either.

How do I change this behavior to include the email address of the original
sender, instead of just their name?

Thank you in advance for the help!
-Jeff

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  • Mark Sapiro at Mar 30, 2007 at 9:18 pm

    Jeff Thurston wrote:
    Hello list, I have a rather simple issue with my mailman list server, when
    someone forwards an email from the list to someone else, the original
    senders email address is removed.

    Instead it says the usual:

    From: listname-bounces at listserver.com
    [mailto:listname-bounces at listserver.com] On Behalf Of John Doe
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:19 AM
    To: listname at listserver.com
    Subject: [Listname] Subject.

    ---

    I read up on the general options for an individual list and saw two
    functions that might be the answer but they don't seem to have any effect on
    what I am trying to accomplish.
    Searching the faq briefly didn't yield much either.

    How do I change this behavior to include the email address of the original
    sender, instead of just their name?

    This is really a Microsoft Outlook issue, not a Mailman issue. See
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>
    for more.

    Note that the original From: Jon Doe <jdoe at example.com> header is not
    altered by Mailman. Mailman adds a Sender: header with the list
    bounces address, and MS Outlook chooses to show you that information
    rather than the address from the From: header.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Krystal F. Zipfel at Mar 30, 2007 at 9:25 pm

    Mark Sapiro wrote:
    Jeff Thurston wrote:

    Hello list, I have a rather simple issue with my mailman list server, when
    someone forwards an email from the list to someone else, the original
    senders email address is removed.

    Instead it says the usual:

    From: listname-bounces at listserver.com
    [mailto:listname-bounces at listserver.com] On Behalf Of John Doe
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:19 AM
    To: listname at listserver.com
    Subject: [Listname] Subject.

    ---

    I read up on the general options for an individual list and saw two
    functions that might be the answer but they don't seem to have any effect on
    what I am trying to accomplish.
    Searching the faq briefly didn't yield much either.

    How do I change this behavior to include the email address of the original
    sender, instead of just their name?

    This is really a Microsoft Outlook issue, not a Mailman issue. See
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>
    for more.

    Note that the original From: Jon Doe <jdoe at example.com> header is not
    altered by Mailman. Mailman adds a Sender: header with the list
    bounces address, and MS Outlook chooses to show you that information
    rather than the address from the From: header.
    Not sure it's just Outlook, as Thunderbird does the same. But,
    interesting non-the-less.

    Another question along the same lines. Is it possible to "hide" or
    remove the sender? For instance, I want my newsletter to my members to
    only show "listname at listserver.com", as
    "listname-bounces at listserver.com" confuses them.

    Thoughts?
  • Mark Sapiro at Mar 30, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    Krystal F. Zipfel wrote:
    Not sure it's just Outlook, as Thunderbird does the same. But,
    interesting non-the-less.

    I don't know what Thunderbird you're using , but both Thunderbird
    1.5.0.10 and 3.0a1 (two that I happen to have immediate access to)
    show the From: and Sender: separately and intact as received.

    Another question along the same lines. Is it possible to "hide" or
    remove the sender? For instance, I want my newsletter to my members to
    only show "listname at listserver.com", as
    "listname-bounces at listserver.com" confuses them.

    The envelope must be from the listname-bounces address if automated
    bounce processing is going to work. In addition the Sender: header is
    set to the same address because some non-compliant MTAs return bounces
    to the Sender:. The FAQ
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>
    has some discussion of this and also indicates where in the Mailman
    code you might change it.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Jeff Thurston at Mar 30, 2007 at 10:16 pm
    I get similar results when using mutt... I'm not sure this is completely
    related to Outlook either. I guess I just have to keep looking.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 2:18 PM
    To: Jeff Thurston; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Original sender address stripped from
    forwardedemails.

    Jeff Thurston wrote:
    Hello list, I have a rather simple issue with my mailman list server, when
    someone forwards an email from the list to someone else, the original
    senders email address is removed.

    Instead it says the usual:

    From: listname-bounces at listserver.com
    [mailto:listname-bounces at listserver.com] On Behalf Of John Doe
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:19 AM
    To: listname at listserver.com
    Subject: [Listname] Subject.

    ---

    I read up on the general options for an individual list and saw two
    functions that might be the answer but they don't seem to have any effect on
    what I am trying to accomplish.
    Searching the faq briefly didn't yield much either.

    How do I change this behavior to include the email address of the original
    sender, instead of just their name?

    This is really a Microsoft Outlook issue, not a Mailman issue. See
    <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>
    for more.

    Note that the original From: Jon Doe <jdoe at example.com> header is not
    altered by Mailman. Mailman adds a Sender: header with the list
    bounces address, and MS Outlook chooses to show you that information
    rather than the address from the From: header.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • Mark Sapiro at Mar 30, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    I get similar results when using mutt... I'm not sure this is completely
    related to Outlook either. I guess I just have to keep looking.

    I'm not sure what you're seeing with mutt, but what I see is if From:
    contains a 'real name' I am shown the real name and not the email
    address in the 'index', but when I view the message, I see the actual
    From: header and nowhere do I ever see 'from the sender on behalf of
    ...'.

    The bottom line is Mailman doesn't alter the From: header (except in
    the case of an anonymous list).

    Mailman does alter the Sender: which seems to be in accord with the
    RFCs as Mailman is the agent that sends the message to the list
    members.

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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