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When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent
to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why
this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest
instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like
the message was sent to:

To: A individual address
To: The "list-bounces" address
CC: The correct list address

My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list
is moderated)? All that showed up was the "uncaught bounce" message. It
seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is
duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that
the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded
instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have
caused the message not to come through?



Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed):

Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu
[xxx.xxx.216.2])
by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500
Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu
via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39])
with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500
Received: (private information removed)
Message-ID:
<6DA651399AB6474DB8C407434D4241A8191AF4 at nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com>
From: "Jones, Sally" <jonesl at rcbhsc.xxx.edu>
To: "'Richard J Smith '" <rmsmith at juno.com>,
"'boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org '"
<boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org>,
"'fred.miller at earthlink.net '" <lin.miller at earthlink.net>
Cc: "'boguslist at bogusdomain.org '" <boguslist at bogusdomain.org>
Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
List-Help: <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
<mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
<mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58,
63-64,
68-69, 76-77, 79
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
localhost
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
localhost
X-Virus-Status: Clean
X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
X-MailScanner-From: boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="ISO-8859-1"

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  • Mark Sapiro at Mar 11, 2005 at 1:23 am

    John Swartzentruber wrote:
    When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent
    to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why
    this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest
    instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like
    the message was sent to:

    To: A individual address
    To: The "list-bounces" address
    CC: The correct list address

    My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list
    is moderated)? All that showed up was the "uncaught bounce" message. It
    seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is
    duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that
    the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded
    instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have
    caused the message not to come through?
    The header - X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org

    I'm guessing that these headers came from the "unrecognized bounce"
    e-mail that you received. If that is the case, the "reply" contains
    way too many headers from the original message that should not be
    included in a reply. Rather than a "reply", it looks like a redirect
    or resend.

    But then, if these are headers from the bounce, I don't know why it
    would be unrecognized as the reply address
    <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org> appears to
    be a VERP like address that should always be recognizable regardless
    of message content.
    Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed):

    Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu
    [xxx.xxx.216.2])
    by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
    j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500
    Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu
    via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39])
    with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500
    Received: (private information removed)
    Message-ID:
    <6DA651399AB6474DB8C407434D4241A8191AF4 at nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com>
    From: "Jones, Sally" <jonesl at rcbhsc.xxx.edu>
    To: "'Richard J Smith '" <rmsmith at juno.com>,
    "'boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org '"
    <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org>,
    "'fred.miller at earthlink.net '" <lin.miller at earthlink.net>
    Cc: "'boguslist at bogusdomain.org '" <boguslist at bogusdomain.org>
    Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject
    Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
    List-Help: <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=help>
    List-Subscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
    <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=subscribe>
    List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
    <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
    X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33
    X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58,
    63-64,
    68-69, 76-77, 79
    X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
    localhost
    X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
    localhost
    X-Virus-Status: Clean
    X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
    X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
    X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
    X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
    X-MailScanner-From: boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org
    Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="ISO-8859-1"
    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
  • John Swartzentruber at Mar 11, 2005 at 1:33 am

    On 3/10/2005 8:23 PM Mark Sapiro wrote:
    John Swartzentruber wrote:

    When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent
    to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why
    this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest
    instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like
    the message was sent to:

    To: A individual address
    To: The "list-bounces" address
    CC: The correct list address

    My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list
    is moderated)? All that showed up was the "uncaught bounce" message. It
    seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is
    duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that
    the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded
    instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have
    caused the message not to come through?

    The header - X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org

    I'm guessing that these headers came from the "unrecognized bounce"
    e-mail that you received. If that is the case, the "reply" contains
    way too many headers from the original message that should not be
    included in a reply. Rather than a "reply", it looks like a redirect
    or resend.
    She *claims* she just did a "Reply All". She's using Outlook so anything
    is possible. The headers are definitely very weird. You'll also notice
    that there are Juno specific headers and she isn't using Juno. Those
    were from the message that she is replying too.

    Thanks for reminding me about the X-BeenThere. I guess that clears up
    the Mailman mystery. The Outlook mystery is outside of the scope of this
    list.



    But then, if these are headers from the bounce, I don't know why it
    would be unrecognized as the reply address
    <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org> appears to
    be a VERP like address that should always be recognizable regardless
    of message content.

    Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed):

    Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu
    [xxx.xxx.216.2])
    by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
    j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500
    Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu
    via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39])
    with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500
    Received: (private information removed)
    Message-ID:
    <6DA651399AB6474DB8C407434D4241A8191AF4 at nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com>
    From: "Jones, Sally" <jonesl at rcbhsc.xxx.edu>
    To: "'Richard J Smith '" <rmsmith at juno.com>,
    "'boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org '"
    <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org>,
    "'fred.miller at earthlink.net '" <lin.miller at earthlink.net>
    Cc: "'boguslist at bogusdomain.org '" <boguslist at bogusdomain.org>
    Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject
    Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
    List-Help: <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=help>
    List-Subscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
    <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=subscribe>
    List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
    <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
    X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33
    X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58,
    63-64,
    68-69, 76-77, 79
    X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
    localhost
    X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on
    localhost
    X-Virus-Status: Clean
    X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
    X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
    X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
    X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
    X-MailScanner-From: boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org
    Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="ISO-8859-1"

    --
    Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
    San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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