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Today's Topics:

1. Two Questions (Bob Escher)
2. missing archives and weird size question (david gordon)
3. Re: [still] No address associated with nodename (John W. Baxter)
4. Re: Question on archives (John W. Baxter)
5. Mail list which is a collection of lists (Thomas Waters)
6. Re: attachment (Brad Knowles)
7. Re: Two Questions (Brad Knowles)
8. Re: Mail list which is a collection of lists (Mark Sapiro)
9. Re: missing archives and weird size question (Mark Sapiro)
10. Re: Two Questions (Mark Sapiro)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:55:03 -0600
From: "Bob Escher" <bescher at rsegroup.com>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145 at rsegroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Good Morning all
I have two questions and both of them are probably where
I can't find them.

I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change
the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that
it is
for
I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I
would
like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a
subscriber
might see)
to be the same as the web pages are.


Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves
and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that
is OK
as well)as
long as the archieves are in HTML.

I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking

Thanks

Bob Escher




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:28 +0000
From: "david gordon" <davidg at goraich.co.uk>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <20041222150728.6788 at smtp.goraich.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving
itself
(via Pipermail).

On the website archive page
<http://mydomain.tld/mailman/private/mylist/>
messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw
archive
says it is 13MB.

When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I
see
nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured
server).

But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files

admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd
/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox

admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah
total 44M
drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 .
drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox

Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake
but...

How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file
from August 2003 on the website?

Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB?

How do I get out of this mess?

Many thanks!

--
David Gordon




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:53:45 -0800
From: "John W. Baxter" <jwblist at olympus.net>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with
nodename
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <BDEF5719.194ED%jwblist at olympus.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
On 12/20/2004 22:29, "JP Kelly" wrote:

I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the
MTA.
When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message
in
smtp-error log:

Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename')
ms mailman is not contacting exim at all.
That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's
connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not
successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how
you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py).
(Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine
actually succeed?)
Yes it does:
telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25
Trying 63.198.201.218...
Connected to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net.

I am testing this on a DSL static ip and the reverse lookup resolves to
adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net.
could that be the problem?
You're making the telnet connection, but unless you left part of the
"action" out, the mail server is not responding with the SMTP connection
banner. So it appears you can reach the machine's port 25, but the SMTP
server dislikes you enough to refuse even to begin to talk to you.

It should look something like this:

$telnet smtp.olympus.net 25
Trying 65.117.224.66...
Connected to smtp.olympus.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 entiat.olympus.net ESMTP Exim 4.42 Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:48 -0800 C

Where that 220 line is the "missing" banner (and the trailing " C" is an
indicator we added to this instance of Exim).

--John


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:06:56 -0800
From: "John W. Baxter" <jwblist at olympus.net>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives
To: "<mailman-users at python.org>," <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <BDEF5A30.194EF%jwblist at olympus.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
On 12/21/2004 17:03, "Mark Sapiro" wrote:

Enrique Vega wrote:
Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete
messages
from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been
incorporated into mailman.
When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to
the project, it will happen.
Meanwhile, an archive represents history, so removing a message from the
archive amounts to rewriting history.

Nonetheless, list owners in at least England need to be able to do it,
or
run afoul of the enforcer of "take my personal information off your web
site
NOW" requests. The enforcer imposes big fines.

--John


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:28:03 -0500
From: Thomas Waters <thomaswaters at mac.com>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists
To: mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID: <742A665F-5436-11D9-9B2F-000D93B1D150 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Mailman 2.1.2 on OS X Panther Server
I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists

List1:
PersonA
PersonB
PersonC

List2
PersonD
PersonE
PersonF

List3:
PersonG
PersonH
PersonI

List 4:
List 1
List 2
(This would go to 6 people, 3 from 1 and 3 from 2)


I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages
sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as
post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only
member can post including members of sublists?

Thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
412-383-7471
rxweb+ at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:22:38 -0600
From: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] attachment
To: "erik" <artisticminds at yahoo.com>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID: <p06200701bdefdc6546d8@[24.173.48.15]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
At 10:27 AM -0800 2004-12-21, erik wrote:

I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes
with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik
See
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:37:42 -0600
From: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions
To: "Bob Escher" <bescher at rsegroup.com>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID: <p06200704bdefdef6e08c@[24.173.48.15]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
At 8:55 AM -0600 2004-12-22, Bob Escher wrote:

I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change
the subscription page and other pages according to to the website
that it is
for
I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I
would
like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a
subscriber
might see)
to be the same as the web pages are.
You may want to look at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp>.
I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking
Mailman integrates pipermail for handling the archiving system,
not MHonArc. If you're looking for documentation on MHonArc, you
probably want to check out <http://www.mhonarc.org/>.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:57:44 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists
To: Thomas Waters <thomaswaters at mac.com>, mailman-users at python.org
Message-ID: <PC1730200412221857440656d6fa669c at msapiro>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Thomas Waters wrote:
I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists <snip>
I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages
sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as
post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only
member can post including members of sublists?

See the FAQ
Article 3.5 for one way to work around this and also avoid duplicate
messages to people who are members of more than one sub list.

Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion for
a patch that would allow you in your example to put '@list1' and
'@list2' in accept_these_nonmembers for list4.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan



------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:07:08 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question
To: "david gordon" <davidg at goraich.co.uk>, <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1730200412221907080828ed451944 at msapiro>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

david gordon wrote:
Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself
(via Pipermail).

On the website archive page
<http://mydomain.tld/mailman/private/mylist/>
messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive
says it is 13MB.

When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see
nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server).
But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files

admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd
/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox

admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah
total 44M
drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 .
drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox

Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but...
How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file
from August 2003 on the website?

Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB?

How do I get out of this mess?
I don't know if 2.0.13 has a bin/arch tool with the same function as
the one in 2.1.x, but if it does, you could just try

bin/arch --wipe mylist

to rebuild the archive from mylist.mbox. It might work, but it might
fail the same way that individual archiving has failed since August
2003.

My guess is that there is something in mylist.mbox in the message
following the last archived message from Aug 2003 that is causing the
problem.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp

If bin/arch doesn't fix it on it's own, you'll have to find the problem
in mylist.mbox and "correct" that as explained in the FAQ.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions
To: "Bob Escher" <bescher at rsegroup.com>, <mailman-users at python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1730200412221915440093ed451689 at msapiro>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Bob Escher wrote:
I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change
the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is
for
I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I
would
like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a
subscriber
might see)
to be the same as the web pages are.

For those pages that have templates, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp

For pages generated on the fly, there's no good solution that wouldn't
involve extensive hacking of the Python code.
Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves
and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK
as well)as
long as the archieves are in HTML.

I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are HTML templates
for the various pipermail archive pages that can be modified per the
above FAQ.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan



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