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Hi, I'm just setting up mailman (2.1.3) for the first time and have a
stumper that doesn't seem to be covered by the documentation, nor the
discussion in this group.

*) I can send mail to users on the system (RH9 w/ Sendmail)
*) I have A and MX records pointing at the host in question
*) If I execute, as user mailmain,
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name
and enter an email message by hand, it posts just fine.

I've attached a sample bounce message.

In the INSTALL doc it mentions a possibility that the group ID is wrong
when the "mailman post" command is being executed. And, if I execute the
same command as root it fails telling me to run it as the right group.
However, in the INSTALL doc it mentions an explicit error message which is
sent to syslog, but this message is not seen. Instead I get the following
(in my syslog, "mail.*" is directed to /var/log/maillog):

Jan 1 19:36:38 java sendmail[11845]: i01Jabrg011845:
from=<davidh at 7gen.com>, sizeX0, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<Pine.BSF.4.58.0401011436320.34884 at pi.pair.com>, proto=SMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=pi.pair.com [209.68.1.29]
Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try",
ctladdr=(8/0), delay�:00:01, xdelay�:00:01,
mailer=prog, pri0758, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1
Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: i01Jadrg011846: DSN:
unknown mailer error 1
Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jadrg011846:
to=<davidh at 7gen.com>, delay�:00:00, xdelay�:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri1782, relay=pi.pair.com. [209.68.1.29], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok
1072985799 qp 92593)


The lines are wrapped to make for easier reading.


When I ran configure, I didn't specify any options as the defaults looked
right for what I understood the system to require.

Obviously there's a sensitivity to which group ID is used to invoke the
mailman script. How do I determine which ID is being used when sendmail
hands off to mailman?

- David
-------------- next part --------------
From MAILER-DAEMON at java.7gen.com Thu Jan 1 15:01:26 2004
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:36:39 GMT
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at java.7gen.com>
To: davidh at 7gen.com
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:36:38 GMT
from pi.pair.com [209.68.1.29]

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try"
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: <try at java.7gen.com>)

----- Transcript of session follows -----
post script, list not found: try
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

[ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; java.7gen.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; pi.pair.com
Arrival-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:36:38 GMT

Final-Recipient: RFC822; try at java.7gen.com
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 1
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:36:39 GMT


[ Part 3: "Included Message" ]

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:36:37 -0500 (EST)
From: David Herron <davidh at 7gen.com>
To: try at java.7gen.com
Subject: try at java.7gen.com




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  • Jon Carnes at Jan 1, 2004 at 8:21 pm
    Try running through the list of things to do in FAQ 3.14
    Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

    The error looks very similar to a SMRSH problem.

    On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 15:12, David Herron wrote:
    Hi, I'm just setting up mailman (2.1.3) for the first time and have a
    stumper that doesn't seem to be covered by the documentation, nor the
    discussion in this group.

    *) I can send mail to users on the system (RH9 w/ Sendmail)
    *) I have A and MX records pointing at the host in question
    *) If I execute, as user mailmain,
    /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name
    and enter an email message by hand, it posts just fine.

    I've attached a sample bounce message.

    In the INSTALL doc it mentions a possibility that the group ID is wrong
    when the "mailman post" command is being executed. And, if I execute the
    same command as root it fails telling me to run it as the right group.
    However, in the INSTALL doc it mentions an explicit error message which is
    sent to syslog, but this message is not seen. Instead I get the following
    (in my syslog, "mail.*" is directed to /var/log/maillog):

    Jan 1 19:36:38 java sendmail[11845]: i01Jabrg011845:
    from=<davidh at 7gen.com>, sizeX0, class=0, nrcpts=1,
    msgid=<Pine.BSF.4.58.0401011436320.34884 at pi.pair.com>, proto=SMTP,
    daemon=MTA, relay=pi.pair.com [209.68.1.29]
    Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845:
    to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try",
    ctladdr=(8/0), delay�:00:01, xdelay�:00:01,
    mailer=prog, pri0758, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1
    Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: i01Jadrg011846: DSN:
    unknown mailer error 1
    Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jadrg011846:
    to=<davidh at 7gen.com>, delay�:00:00, xdelay�:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
    pri1782, relay=pi.pair.com. [209.68.1.29], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok
    1072985799 qp 92593)


    The lines are wrapped to make for easier reading.


    When I ran configure, I didn't specify any options as the defaults looked
    right for what I understood the system to require.

    Obviously there's a sensitivity to which group ID is used to invoke the
    mailman script. How do I determine which ID is being used when sendmail
    hands off to mailman?

    - David

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  • David Herron at Jan 1, 2004 at 8:48 pm
    Thanks to Jon Carnes I got on the right track. I wanted to send it back
    to the list for the public record.

    It was an smrsh problem as he suggested. Turns out there's an old version
    of mailman already installed on the system, and the symlink pointed to
    that old version.

    Further steps I had to take was:

    a) Change the aliases entries to be
    mailman command list-name
    rather than the full path to the mailman command

    b) Then rerun ./configure with --with-mail-gid=mail

    The latter because then I *finally* got the expected incorrect group error
    that then told me which group ID to run under.

    Maybe I'll switch to exim... I despise sendmail anyway.

    Thanks,

    - David Herron
  • Al Black at Jan 2, 2004 at 6:24 am
    Hi everyone,

    I've just got a new virtual server with mailman (2.1.3) installed. I've
    done some testing and have a few lists up and running. I'm really pleased
    and impressed. Its been years since I've done any administration, and I'm
    completely unfamiliar with python.

    Anyhow, I've been trying out the list admin scripts unsuccessfully (with
    -h). For example,

    ./version results in errors pointing to import paths.

    so I crack open, paths.py and there's nothing obvious there that's causing
    the problem.

    I'm exceedingly hesitant to start poking around, but it sounds like there
    might be a bad path definition somewhere. I'm wondering if anyone could
    suggestions about what the problem might be, or how to go about tracking it
    down.

    Thanks in advance.
    al

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