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I have a question about Mailman & templates. I have nearly completed editing all the html files provided and placed them into the site wide template directory. All works perfectly!.

The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?

Thanks in advance,
Timothy

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  • Paul H Byerly at Jul 1, 2003 at 2:06 pm

    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to edit
    the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end
    user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side a
    little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
  • Timothy Arnold at Jul 1, 2003 at 2:16 pm
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
    edit
    the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul


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  • Paul H Byerly at Jul 1, 2003 at 3:56 pm
    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet be
    awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
    edit
    the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right side
    a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul
  • Timothy Arnold at Jul 1, 2003 at 5:27 pm
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to make as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta branded as possible.

    Thanks,
    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet be awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
    edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and
    the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded
    as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
    achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
    side
    a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul


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  • Todd at Jul 1, 2003 at 5:38 pm

    Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book?>:)
    You probably don't need a python book just to edit those files. There are
    just some text strings that the scripts spit out. Modify them to taste and
    leave the rest of the python code the same.

    Not that getting a good python book would hurt or anything.

    - --
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  • Richard Barrett at Jul 1, 2003 at 6:01 pm

    At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to make
    as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta
    branded as possible.
    If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
    abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and
    their brethren.

    Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to populate
    template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

    You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
    comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

    <quote>
    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    # lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    # templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    # templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    # templates/<language>
    #
    # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can specialize
    # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
    # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify
    # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
    # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site
    # language directories are for.
    </quote>

    Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search
    hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way
    forward.
    Thanks,
    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not yet
    be awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how to
    edit the main listinfo page mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and
    the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as branded
    as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
    achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
    side
    a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul


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  • Timothy Arnold at Jul 2, 2003 at 7:59 am
    Hi Richard,

    I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)

    The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

    An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine, all nice and branded but if you go to http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?

    Thanks for your help.

    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
    To: Timothy Arnold
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

    At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
    make
    as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees Becta >branded as possible.
    If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
    abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and their brethren.

    Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

    You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
    comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

    <quote>
    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    # lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    # templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    # templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    # templates/<language>
    #
    # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can specialize
    # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
    # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify
    # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
    # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site
    # language directories are for.
    </quote>

    Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search
    hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way
    forward.
    Thanks,
    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not
    yet
    be awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how
    to edit the main listinfo page
    mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as
    branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
    achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
    side a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul


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  • Richard Barrett at Jul 2, 2003 at 10:42 am

    At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    Hi Richard,

    I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English
    mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html &
    footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman
    integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer
    to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)
    You have a couple of options:

    1. The per-list htdig.conf template is $prefix/templates/en/htdig_conf.txt.
    The same acquisition inheritance applies for it as for the other MM 2.1.2
    template files.

    2. You can define a value for the MM config variable HTDIG_EXTRAS in
    $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. See $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to notes on the
    variable.

    Using either of these two approaches you can assign values Htdig
    configuration file variables such as search_results_header and
    search_results_footer in the per-list htdig.conf template. See
    http://htdig.org/attrs.html or http://htdig.org/confindex.html for more info.

    If you wanted per-list and per-virtual-host header.html and footer.html
    then you would probably want to use Option 1 above. Option 2 is equivalent
    to the site templates and is, with MM 2.1.x, no longer strictly necessary.
    It was introduced when the htdig integration patch was initiall developed
    for use with MM 2.0.x (templates embedded in the source code then) and I
    have left it in place for compatibility with sites updating from MM 2.0.x
    The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of
    lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot
    figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in
    listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!
    These pages represent a different problem as they are created dynamically
    by the various MM CGI scripts. These scripts create instances of HTML'ish
    objects. Having assembled these object to create an object representation
    of the page, a recursive call to Format() functions on each of the classes
    is used to generate the HTML version of the page. There is thus a
    reasonable separation between content and rendering.

    The good news is that this HTML generation is concentrated in the class
    definitions in the file $prefix/Mailman/htmlformat.py

    The bad news is you have to read and modify some Python if you want to
    change things.

    But attacking htmlformat.py will give you leverage over the HTML output
    being generated using this approach by the following MM CGI scripts:
    admin.py, admindb.py, confirm.py, create.py, edithtml.py, listinfo.py,
    options.py, private.py, rmlist.py, roster.py, subscribe.py

    Take a look at the Python source in htmlformat.py. It is really quite man
    readable. I do not know how much programming experience you have but if it
    is limited then "Learning Python" by Lutz and Ascher (pub O'Reilly) covers
    more than enough ground for making the changes you need to htmlformat.py;
    your examples show you have the HTML end of things hacked. Once you have
    adapted to using indentation instead of braces for block structure you will
    find Python is a very clean syntax to use. Also, the ability to run python
    interpreter interactively can really speed development work up.

    If you want any support on this get back to me off list.
    An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine,
    all nice and branded but if you go to
    http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I
    make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?

    Thanks for your help.

    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
    To: Timothy Arnold
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

    At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
    make
    as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees
    Becta >branded as possible.

    If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
    abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and
    their brethren.

    Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to
    populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

    You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
    comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

    <quote>
    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    # lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    # templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    # templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    # templates/<language>
    #
    # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can
    specialize
    # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
    # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify
    # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
    # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site
    # language directories are for.
    </quote>

    Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search
    hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only way
    forward.
    Thanks,
    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not
    yet
    be awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how
    to edit the main listinfo page
    mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as
    branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
    achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the right
    side a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul


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  • Richard Barrett at Jul 2, 2003 at 11:02 am

    At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    Hi Richard,

    I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our English
    mailing lists).
    I hope you noted the words of the comment I quoted in my previous post "You
    should never modify files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since
    Mailman will overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the
    templates/site language directories are for". Pity to lose all the good
    work on the next upgrade.
    They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & footer.html for
    ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman integration to
    change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer to the lists
    search directory instead of $COMMON?)

    The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of
    lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot
    figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in
    listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

    An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works fine,
    all nice and branded
    That looks good
    but if you go to http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not
    branded. How do I make the lists of lists look like every other part of
    the site?

    Thanks for your help.

    Timothy
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
    To: Timothy Arnold
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

    At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
    make
    as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) sees
    Becta >branded as possible.

    If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has been
    abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language subdirectories and
    their brethren.

    Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to
    populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

    You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
    comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

    <quote>
    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    # lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    # templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    # templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    # templates/<language>
    #
    # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can
    specialize
    # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
    # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify
    # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
    # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site
    # language directories are for.
    </quote>
    <snip>


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  • Timothy Arnold at Jul 2, 2003 at 10:59 am
    Thanks, I think I understand now.

    I had a look in htmlformat.py and searched for *.png and found where the images were being defined for the footer. Edited the definition and found it updated all footers. Great!

    I had a look in listinfo.py and found where MailmanLogo was being called... Doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo). Simply commented this out and it works, the footer was removed from the listinfo page.

    I am guessing I could create a new definition in htmlformat.py for the standard Becta footer and call it from listinfo.py?

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
    Sent: 02 July 2003 11:42
    To: Timothy Arnold
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

    At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    Hi Richard,

    I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our
    English
    mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & >footer.html for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman >integration to change the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer >to the lists search directory instead of $COMMON?)
    You have a couple of options:

    1. The per-list htdig.conf template is $prefix/templates/en/htdig_conf.txt. The same acquisition inheritance applies for it as for the other MM 2.1.2 template files.

    2. You can define a value for the MM config variable HTDIG_EXTRAS in
    $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. See $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to notes on the variable.

    Using either of these two approaches you can assign values Htdig
    configuration file variables such as search_results_header and
    search_results_footer in the per-list htdig.conf template. See
    http://htdig.org/attrs.html or http://htdig.org/confindex.html for more info.

    If you wanted per-list and per-virtual-host header.html and footer.html
    then you would probably want to use Option 1 above. Option 2 is equivalent to the site templates and is, with MM 2.1.x, no longer strictly necessary. It was introduced when the htdig integration patch was initiall developed for use with MM 2.0.x (templates embedded in the source code then) and I have left it in place for compatibility with sites updating from MM 2.0.x
    The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of
    lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot
    figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in
    listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!
    These pages represent a different problem as they are created dynamically by the various MM CGI scripts. These scripts create instances of HTML'ish objects. Having assembled these object to create an object representation of the page, a recursive call to Format() functions on each of the classes is used to generate the HTML version of the page. There is thus a
    reasonable separation between content and rendering.

    The good news is that this HTML generation is concentrated in the class
    definitions in the file $prefix/Mailman/htmlformat.py

    The bad news is you have to read and modify some Python if you want to
    change things.

    But attacking htmlformat.py will give you leverage over the HTML output
    being generated using this approach by the following MM CGI scripts:
    admin.py, admindb.py, confirm.py, create.py, edithtml.py, listinfo.py,
    options.py, private.py, rmlist.py, roster.py, subscribe.py

    Take a look at the Python source in htmlformat.py. It is really quite man readable. I do not know how much programming experience you have but if it is limited then "Learning Python" by Lutz and Ascher (pub O'Reilly) covers more than enough ground for making the changes you need to htmlformat.py; your examples show you have the HTML end of things hacked. Once you have adapted to using indentation instead of braces for block structure you will
    find Python is a very clean syntax to use. Also, the ability to run python interpreter interactively can really speed development work up.

    If you want any support on this get back to me off list.
    An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works
    fine,
    all nice and branded but if you go to
    http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I
    make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?

    Thanks for your help.

    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
    To: Timothy Arnold
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates

    At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
    That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)

    I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to
    make as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber)
    sees
    Becta >branded as possible.

    If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has
    been abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language
    subdirectories and their brethren.

    Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to
    populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.

    You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the
    comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):

    <quote>
    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    # lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    # templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    # templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    # templates/<language>
    #
    # The first match found stops the search. In this way, you can
    specialize
    # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
    # templates, you don't need to change anything. You should never modify
    # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
    # overwrite these when you upgrade. That's what the templates/site
    # language directories are for.
    </quote>

    Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search
    hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only
    way forward.
    Thanks,
    Timothy

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    That is what I get for answering a question when I should not
    yet be awake. I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
    (mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
    At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
    That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...

    Thanks,
    Timothy.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
    Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
    To: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


    "Timothy Arnold" wrote:
    The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how
    to edit the main listinfo page
    mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
    end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as
    branded as
    possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to
    achieve this?
    From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the
    right side a little above the Logout link.


    <>< Paul
    <>< Paul


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