Hi

I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
COMMAND
37459 mailman 53 0 87068K 85380K RUN 144.2H 96.78%
96.78% python

Restart mailman

PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
COMMAND
33270 mailman 58 0 29536K 27996K RUN 6:45 86.04% 86.04%
python
201 root 2 0 932K 552K select 8:41 0.00% 0.00%
syslogd

33270 ?? R 6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.

Thanks

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  • Odhiambo Washington at Sep 24, 2002 at 6:24 am

    * Roelf [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
    Hi

    I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
    Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

    But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    37459 mailman 53 0 87068K 85380K RUN 144.2H 96.78%
    96.78% python

    Restart mailman

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    33270 mailman 58 0 29536K 27996K RUN 6:45 86.04% 86.04%
    python
    201 root 2 0 932K 552K select 8:41 0.00% 0.00%
    syslogd

    33270 ?? R 6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
    --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

    Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.


    I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with 256MB and
    runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a problem
    with Mailman. maybe this is because

    1. My lists are not big/busy enough
    2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


    On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz, 256MB RAM)
    I also haven't had this problem.

    How large are your lists and how busy?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI |
    +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post
  • Roelf Schreurs at Sep 24, 2002 at 7:24 am
    Hi

    We have 23 lists. The highest is about 200-250 mails a day, then 3 of
    50-75 a day and the rest very slow mail groups.

    I also ran the previous version of mailman (2.0.9) and did not have any
    problems. Only after I upgraded to the new mailman. When mailman started
    running as a daemon, it took the server straight to hell.

    Roelf



    Odhiambo Washington wrote:
    * Roelf [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
    Hi

    I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
    Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

    But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    37459 mailman 53 0 87068K 85380K RUN 144.2H 96.78%
    96.78% python

    Restart mailman

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    33270 mailman 58 0 29536K 27996K RUN 6:45 86.04% 86.04%
    python
    201 root 2 0 932K 552K select 8:41 0.00% 0.00%
    syslogd

    33270 ?? R 6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
    --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

    Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.



    I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with 256MB and
    runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a problem
    with Mailman. maybe this is because

    1. My lists are not big/busy enough
    2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


    On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz, 256MB RAM)
    I also haven't had this problem.

    How large are your lists and how busy?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI |
    +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post

    --
    Roelf Schreurs
    IMC Amsterdam
    +31 20 527 5092

    Chaos reigns within.
    Reflect, repent, and reboot.
    Order shall return.
  • Roelf at Sep 24, 2002 at 7:43 am
    Hi

    We have 23 lists. The biggest is 200-250 e-mails during working hours.
    Then we have 3 or 4 with 50-75 e-mails a day. The rest is small 0-10
    mails a day.

    I was running mailman 2.0.9 with no problems. After upgrading to mailman
    2.1b3, mailman was running as a daemon and took the server straight to
    hell.

    Roelf



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com]
    Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 8:24
    To: rosc at imc.nl
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

    * Roelf [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
    Hi

    I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
    Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

    But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    37459 mailman 53 0 87068K 85380K RUN 144.2H 96.78%
    96.78% python

    Restart mailman

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    33270 mailman 58 0 29536K 27996K RUN 6:45 86.04% 86.04%
    python
    201 root 2 0 932K 552K select 8:41 0.00% 0.00%
    syslogd

    33270 ?? R 6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
    --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

    Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.


    I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with
    256MB and
    runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a
    problem
    with Mailman. maybe this is because

    1. My lists are not big/busy enough
    2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


    On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz,
    256MB RAM)
    I also haven't had this problem.

    How large are your lists and how busy?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
    -----+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
    St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
    +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
    -----+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post
  • Joseph Okech at Sep 24, 2002 at 12:17 pm
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage,
    but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5

    Joseph
    On Tuesday 24 September 2002 10:43 am, Roelf wrote:
    Hi

    We have 23 lists. The biggest is 200-250 e-mails during working hours.
    Then we have 3 or 4 with 50-75 e-mails a day. The rest is small 0-10
    mails a day.

    I was running mailman 2.0.9 with no problems. After upgrading to mailman
    2.1b3, mailman was running as a daemon and took the server straight to
    hell.

    Roelf



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com]
    Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 8:24
    To: rosc at imc.nl
    Cc: mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

    * Roelf [20020924 09:15]: wrote:
    Hi

    I'm running mailman 2.1b3 and python 2.2.1 on FreeBSD 4.4 on Dell
    Poweredge 2500, P 3 1000MHz, 1GB memory and RAID.

    But mailman takes a lot of resources with archiving.

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    37459 mailman 53 0 87068K 85380K RUN 144.2H 96.78%
    96.78% python

    Restart mailman

    PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU
    COMMAND
    33270 mailman 58 0 29536K 27996K RUN 6:45 86.04% 86.04%
    python
    201 root 2 0 932K 552K select 8:41 0.00% 0.00%
    syslogd

    33270 ?? R 6:52.04 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner
    --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python)

    Has anybody else seen this problem and any ideas on how to solve this.
    I run FreeBSD 4.7-PRE with Mailman-2.0.14. The box is a 500MHz with
    256MB and
    runs a whole lot other services but sincerely speaking I haven't seen a
    problem
    with Mailman. maybe this is because

    1. My lists are not big/busy enough
    2. I haven't caught the archiver process in action.


    On another box with 2.1b3 (FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE, Python-2.2.1, 1.4GHz,
    256MB RAM)
    I also haven't had this problem.

    How large are your lists and how busy?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
    -----+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
    St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI

    +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
    -----+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post


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  • Odhiambo Washington at Sep 24, 2002 at 1:54 pm

    * Joseph Okech [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage,
    but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5

    First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later runs as a
    daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

    At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI |
    +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post
  • Joseph Okech at Sep 24, 2002 at 2:31 pm
    This usually hits me in the morning hours since my lists dont receive so much
    traffic at night

    Joseph
    On Tuesday 24 September 2002 04:54 pm, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
    * Joseph Okech [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
    usage, but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5
    First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
    runs as a daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

    At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------
    --+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI |
    +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------
    --+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post
  • Jon Carnes at Sep 24, 2002 at 3:34 pm
    You should be running a caching name server on the same machine. Plus
    your machine should be set to use itself as the main DNS reslover (In
    DNS you will use forwarders to point to other DNS servers).

    It helps a lot with the resources.
    On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 10:31, Joseph Okech wrote:
    This usually hits me in the morning hours since my lists dont receive so much
    traffic at night

    Joseph
    On Tuesday 24 September 2002 04:54 pm, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
    * Joseph Okech [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu
    usage, but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5
    First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
    runs as a daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

    At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------
    --+ Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) | http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI |
    +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------
    --+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post

    ------------------------------------------------------
    Mailman-Users mailing list
    Mailman-Users at python.org
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  • Roelf at Sep 25, 2002 at 8:35 am
    Hi

    What I noticed is that I stopped archiving the biggest list that we
    have. It received 200-250 e-mail during 8 working hours. Now the system
    resources seem to be normal.

    Surely the archiving should be able to handle this??

    Roelf

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com]
    Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 15:55
    To: Joseph Okech
    Cc: rosc at imc.nl; Roelf; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

    * Joseph Okech [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage,
    but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5

    First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
    runs as a
    daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

    At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
    -----+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
    St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
    +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
    -----+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post
  • Jon Carnes at Sep 25, 2002 at 1:31 pm
    What are you using for your disk subsystem? Is it IDE? You might
    consider upgrading to SCSI...
    On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 04:35, Roelf wrote:

    Hi

    What I noticed is that I stopped archiving the biggest list that we
    have. It received 200-250 e-mail during 8 working hours. Now the system
    resources seem to be normal.

    Surely the archiving should be able to handle this??

    Roelf

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Odhiambo Washington [mailto:wash at wananchi.com]
    Sent: dinsdag 24 september 2002 15:55
    To: Joseph Okech
    Cc: rosc at imc.nl; Roelf; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hi resource usage

    * Joseph Okech [20020924 15:16]: wrote:
    Im experiencing this problem too, I have about 12 lists and this works
    perfectly, but whe I add my other lists, Python takes up about 70% cpu usage,
    but this is a very critical box.
    Im running 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.5

    First, IMHO, there is no comparison between 2.0.13 and 2.1b3 - the later
    runs as a
    daemon, the former doesn't, but one question beckons:

    At what point do you TWO notice these CPU Usage stats?



    cheers
    - wash
    +----------------------------------+------------------------------------
    -----+
    Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi,
    KE) |
    http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/ . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita
    St., |
    GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
    +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
    -----+
    "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
    --from a /. post


    ------------------------------------------------------
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