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  • Thom Brown at Aug 4, 2010 at 10:51 am

    On 1 August 2010 18:29, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
    Beta4 dirs aren't there yet. I'm assuming Devrim or someone else can
    approve when they are ready?

    -selena

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    Looks like this message got stuck in the system for 3 days :S

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  • Robert Haas at Aug 4, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Thom Brown wrote:
    On 1 August 2010 18:29, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
    Beta4 dirs aren't there yet. I'm assuming Devrim or someone else can
    approve when they are ready?
    Looks like this message got stuck in the system for 3 days :S
    I just saw a stalled -committers post pop out, too. Not sure if they
    were waiting for moderation or what.

    It seems to me that in the future we might be better off arranging for
    the people who approve release announcements to have moderator access,
    and then have them not send the email until it's time for it to go
    out, and approve it themselves. There seem to be a variety of ways
    that the current system can go wrong.

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  • Greg Sabino Mullane at Aug 4, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Marc, can you shed any light on this delay? It was rather an
    important one.
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  • Alvaro Herrera at Aug 4, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Excerpts from Greg Sabino Mullane's message of mié ago 04 14:13:19 UTC 2010:

    Marc, can you shed any light on this delay? It was rather an
    important one.
    relevant headers:

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    Seems it was stuck in the guts of maia.hub.org for no particular reason.

    If this episode is not a good reason to decouple postgresql.org from
    Hub.org, I don't know what is.

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  • Tom Lane at Aug 4, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Alvaro Herrera writes:
    Seems it was stuck in the guts of maia.hub.org for no particular reason.
    It looked like moderation delay to me, especially since a whole bunch of
    stuff got approved at once.

    regards, tom lane
  • Magnus Hagander at Aug 4, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    That was me. It was raining, and clearly people hadn't kept up with
    moderation :)

    /Magnus
    On Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM, "Tom Lane" wrote:
    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
    Seems it was stuck in the guts of maia.hub.org for no particular reason.
    It looked like moderation delay to me, especially since a whole bunch of
    stuff got approved at once.

    regards, tom lane

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  • Marc G. Fournier at Aug 4, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

    Excerpts from Greg Sabino Mullane's message of mi? ago 04 14:13:19 UTC 2010:
    Marc, can you shed any light on this delay? It was rather an
    important one.
    relevant headers:

    Received: from postgresql.org (mail.postgresql.org [200.46.204.86])
    by mx2.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764C13F00D81;
    Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:48:10 -0300 (ADT)
    Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.29])
    by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C2263298E
    for <pgsql-www-postgresql.org@mail.postgresql.org>; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:29:44 -0300 (ADT)

    Seems it was stuck in the guts of maia.hub.org for no particular reason.
    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...

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  • Alvaro Herrera at Aug 4, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 10:44:39 -0400 2010:

    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...
    Doh.

    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?

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  • Tom Lane at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Alvaro Herrera writes:
    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    No, that'd make it very easy for spammers, not to mention destroy the
    main usefulness of the anti "unsubscribe" filters. My recollection is
    that the way that that bit actually works is that if you're subscribed
    to any of the lists, you're allowed to post to any other list as if you
    were a subscriber; we did that mainly to avoid delaying cross-posted
    mails.

    Presumably all these mails got caught by one or another of the
    moderation filter rules, but I didn't look to try to guess which,
    except for Simon's commit message:

    Log Message:
    -----------
    Reduce lock levels of CREATE TRIGGER and some ALTER TABLE, CREATE RULE actions.
    Avoid hard-coding lockmode used for many altering DDL commands, allowing easier
    future changes of lock levels. Implementation of initial analysis on DDL
    sub-commands, so that many lock levels are now at ShareUpdateExclusiveLock or
    ^^^

    I suppose this got trapped by the anti-subscribe-command filter.
    Could we possibly narrow the command filters down so they're only
    applied to very short messages, like one or two body lines? I've
    had stuff delayed like this from those filters before, and it's
    seriously annoying, particularly for commit messages.

    regards, tom lane
  • Alvaro Herrera at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of mié ago 04 12:00:54 -0400 2010:
    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    No, that'd make it very easy for spammers, not to mention destroy the
    main usefulness of the anti "unsubscribe" filters. My recollection is
    that the way that that bit actually works is that if you're subscribed
    to any of the lists, you're allowed to post to any other list as if you
    were a subscriber; we did that mainly to avoid delaying cross-posted
    mails.
    Eh, that's precisely what I'm saying (or trying to).

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  • Marc G. Fournier at Aug 4, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

    Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of mi? ago 04 12:00:54 -0400 2010:
    Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> writes:
    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    No, that'd make it very easy for spammers, not to mention destroy the
    main usefulness of the anti "unsubscribe" filters. My recollection is
    that the way that that bit actually works is that if you're subscribed
    to any of the lists, you're allowed to post to any other list as if you
    were a subscriber; we did that mainly to avoid delaying cross-posted
    mails.
    Eh, that's precisely what I'm saying (or trying to).
    By default:

    configset DEFAULT restrict_post <<ENDAAB
    GLOBAL:
    ENDAAB

    which means that as long as user is registered, they can post ...
    registerd != subscribed.

    This setting does apply to pgsql-www as well ...

    configset pgsql-www restrict_post <<ENDAAB
    GLOBAL:
    ENDAAB

    But even for posts that match that condition, there are other conditions
    that also can apply (ie. header lengths, message lengths, admin commands,
    duplicate posts, etc) ...


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  • Alvaro Herrera at Aug 4, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 13:48:16 -0400 2010:

    But even for posts that match that condition, there are other conditions
    that also can apply (ie. header lengths, message lengths, admin commands,
    duplicate posts, etc) ...
    Ah, yeah, in this case it's probably the "approve" at the start of the
    second line.

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  • Thom Brown at Aug 5, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    On 4 August 2010 22:30, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 13:48:16 -0400 2010:
    But even for posts that match that condition, there are other conditions
    that also can apply (ie. header lengths, message lengths, admin commands,
    duplicate posts, etc) ...
    Ah, yeah, in this case it's probably the "approve" at the start of the
    second line.

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    We've just had a lot of emails from various groups arrive from up to 6
    days ago now.

    One example for email entitled "NOTIFY action invoked when it
    shouldn't be" in -novice:

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    2010 17:28:54 -0300 (ADT)

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  • Marc G. Fournier at Aug 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Yup, I just went through a bunch of the groups and approved stuff that
    'slipped through the cracks' ...

    Then again, didn't realize we *had* no moderators for -novice ... feel
    like becoming one?
    On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
    On 4 August 2010 22:30, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mi? ago 04 13:48:16 -0400 2010:
    But even for posts that match that condition, there are other conditions
    that also can apply (ie. header lengths, message lengths, admin commands,
    duplicate posts, etc) ...
    Ah, yeah, in this case it's probably the "approve" at the start of the
    second line.

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    We've just had a lot of emails from various groups arrive from up to 6
    days ago now.

    One example for email entitled "NOTIFY action invoked when it
    shouldn't be" in -novice:

    Received: from postgresql.org (mail.postgresql.org [200.46.204.86])
    by mx2.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EB93F01C0B;
    Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:41:01 -0300 (ADT)
    Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.29])
    by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0684632AAA
    for <pgsql-novice-postgresql.org@mail.postgresql.org>; Fri, 30 Jul
    2010 17:28:54 -0300 (ADT)

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  • Thom Brown at Aug 5, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    On 5 August 2010 17:00, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
    Yup, I just went through a bunch of the groups and approved stuff that
    'slipped through the cracks' ...

    Then again, didn't realize we *had* no moderators for -novice ... feel like
    becoming one?
    Sure, okay.

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  • Marc G. Fournier at Aug 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    email address to use?
    On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
    On 5 August 2010 17:00, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

    Yup, I just went through a bunch of the groups and approved stuff that
    'slipped through the cracks' ...

    Then again, didn't realize we *had* no moderators for -novice ... feel like
    becoming one?
    Sure, okay.

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  • Marc G. Fournier at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mi? ago 04 10:44:39 -0400 2010:
    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...
    Doh.

    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    Since I didn't approve it, I'm not sure why it got hung up ... I know
    we've had issues where some ppls mailers have been pushing the 'header
    limits', such that we've rcently increased the limit again ...

    But, again, not sure why it was held ...

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  • Robert Haas at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 10:44:39 -0400 2010:
    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...
    Doh.

    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    Probably not on -announce.

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  • Alvaro Herrera at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Excerpts from Robert Haas's message of mié ago 04 12:43:29 -0400 2010:
    On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Alvaro Herrera
    wrote:
    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 10:44:39 -0400 2010:
    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...
    Doh.

    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    Probably not on -announce.
    This was on pgsql-www.

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  • Robert Haas at Aug 4, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
    Excerpts from Robert Haas's message of mié ago 04 12:43:29 -0400 2010:
    On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Alvaro Herrera
    wrote:
    Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mié ago 04 10:44:39 -0400 2010:
    Apparently you can't read headers? :)

    Aug 1st - maia passes email to mail.postgresql.org
    Aug 4th - mail.postgresql.org passes email to mx2.hub.org

    Intervening time: stuck in majordomo moderator queue ...
    Doh.

    Weren't we supposed to pass through unmoderated all emails coming from
    addresses subscribed to any of the lists?
    Probably not on -announce.
    This was on pgsql-www.
    Oh. Right. In that case, I agree with you. :-)

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