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On Mon 11 Aug 2003 07:52, Raphael Manfredi wrote:
Quoting H.Merijn Brand:
: Either we have to take it off-list like this or move it to perl-build.
: Anyone has a good reason not to use perl-build?

I'm not on the perl-build list. I only kept my perl5-porters subscription
when I "retired" from Perl two years ago.

How do I subscribe to perl-build?
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: One of the thing that *I* had in mind when starting on Configure for 5.10, was
: to add imaginary sync point to make more predictable order in Configure. A
: sync point was to consist of an empty source file that depended on the
: previous syncpoint and was a dependency for all the files that you wanted
: after it. I did not do anything towards that (except thinking about it)
: because I did not know by then that the metaconfig units were also still used
: for previous versions of perl.

Yes, I know what you mean. I had the same idea. The problem is then to
keep track of your dependencies properly, because a "bad" dependency can
throw off your well-balanced ordering. Yep :)
You know about the ?Y: laYout hints in units? Well, assume that we make
an empty unit End_Top.U and have it depend on all the units that have
?Y:TOP in their hints. Now suppose I put up a unit with ?Y:TOP that
requieres things like a $d_xxx variable, something that is normally computed
after the "TOP" section. Well, to satisfy this dependency, the ordering
is going to be seriously shuffled!
I don't care. It's a one time reshuffling. All subsequent orders will be more
logical.
: A second, more important, think I'm still up to start, is to enable callbacks
: *always*, not only if the -Duse64bitall is on, but also if -U is chosen. In
: some cases, some compilers can benifit of options if they know that some
: things are for sure *not* true. I've heard other people cheering for this
: thought for reasons I cannot remember. Before doing so however, all hints
: files have to protect their cbu's to do only what they would do right now if
: the option is indeed defined. Easy if it's for 5.10 only, but I've got no idea
: how many snakes would escape on 5.[34568].x

Callbacks is an idea I threw off at Andy a long time ago. I'd have to check
on Perl units and hints to see how it got finally implemented.
It got implemented very well :)
Could you please send me or point me to a diff or a tar.gz where I could
know the differences between the last dist revision "dist-3.0@70" and
the "dist-3.0@70b" that you're using for Perl? And also let me know where
I can download all the private units used in Perl?
I'll send you my tree off-list. It might not be completely in sync with the
metaunits, since I've not worked on them lately, but p4 might help here

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  • H.Merijn Brand at Aug 13, 2003 at 10:26 am

    On Mon 11 Aug 2003 13:37, Raphael Manfredi wrote:
    Quoting H.Merijn Brand:
    : I'll send you my tree off-list. It might not be completely in sync with the
    : metaunits, since I've not worked on them lately, but p4 might help here

    I know p4 fairly well. If I get the free P4 client from perforce.com,
    how do I connect to your depot? Can you give me read-only access
    and send me the necessary configuration options?

    I'd like my P4 account to be "ram" if possible. ;-)
    I'm not an admin here. Cannot create accounts.

    # ssh -1 -l perlrep -f -q -x -L 1666:127.0.0.1:1666 sickle.activestate.com foo
    # p4 sync //depot/metaconfig/...
    Raphael
    Attached the files I changed/added in the bin folder of the p4 installation

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    WinNT 4, Win2K pro & WinCE 2.11. Smoking perl CORE: smokers@perl.org
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