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OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

And what's the correct format!!!!

Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!

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  • Eric Sorenson at May 28, 2013 at 7:08 pm ⇧
    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html

    Top of the page, just under the headers:

    Settings that represent time intervals should be specified in duration
    format: an integer immediately followed by one of the units ‘y’ (years of
    365 days), ‘d’ (days), ‘h’ (hours), ‘m’ (minutes), or ‘s’ (seconds). The
    unit cannot be combined with other units, and defaults to seconds when
    omitted. Examples are ‘3600’ which is equivalent to ‘1h’ (one hour), and
    ‘1825d’ which is equivalent to ‘5y’ (5 years).
    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

    And what's the correct format!!!!

    Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

    Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

    I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!
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  • Tim Schaefer at May 28, 2013 at 7:46 pm ⇧
    Item 175:runinterval

    How often puppet agent applies the client configuration; in seconds. Note
    that a runinterval of 0 means “run continuously” rather than “never run.”
    If you want puppet agent to never run, you should start it with the
    --no-client option. Can be specified as a duration.

        - *Default*: 30m


    So, do I put 15m? 900? 900s? There is nothing there that says anything
    you just said.

    None of what you said is in the runinterval documentation. This is the
    first I've ever seen it. You need to update your docs.

    And don't tell me to go over to forge, that's a lazy, inexcusable response.
      You can do better. I don't mind hacking but really when there is no where
    else to find this information you have a responsibility to document in a
    clear, unambiguous form.

    Thanks,

    Tim


    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Eric Sorenson wrote:

    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html

    Top of the page, just under the headers:

    Settings that represent time intervals should be specified in duration
    format: an integer immediately followed by one of the units ‘y’ (years of
    365 days), ‘d’ (days), ‘h’ (hours), ‘m’ (minutes), or ‘s’ (seconds). The
    unit cannot be combined with other units, and defaults to seconds when
    omitted. Examples are ‘3600’ which is equivalent to ‘1h’ (one hour), and
    ‘1825d’ which is equivalent to ‘5y’ (5 years).

    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

    And what's the correct format!!!!

    Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

    Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

    I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!
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  • Matthew Kennedy at May 28, 2013 at 7:58 pm ⇧
    It is there, just where Eric said it was. No need to get upset.

    It might be helpful to mention where the time notation format can be found
    in the sections where it is used. Would preempt issues like this in the
    future.

    Matt
    On May 28, 2013 1:46 PM, "Tim Schaefer" wrote:

    Item 175: runinterval

    How often puppet agent applies the client configuration; in seconds. Note
    that a runinterval of 0 means “run continuously” rather than “never run.”
    If you want puppet agent to never run, you should start it with the
    --no-client option. Can be specified as a duration.

    - *Default*: 30m


    So, do I put 15m? 900? 900s? There is nothing there that says anything
    you just said.

    None of what you said is in the runinterval documentation. This is the
    first I've ever seen it. You need to update your docs.

    And don't tell me to go over to forge, that's a lazy, inexcusable
    response. You can do better. I don't mind hacking but really when there
    is no where else to find this information you have a responsibility to
    document in a clear, unambiguous form.

    Thanks,

    Tim



    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Eric Sorenson <
    eric.sorenson@puppetlabs.com> wrote:
    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html

    Top of the page, just under the headers:

    Settings that represent time intervals should be specified in duration
    format: an integer immediately followed by one of the units ‘y’ (years of
    365 days), ‘d’ (days), ‘h’ (hours), ‘m’ (minutes), or ‘s’ (seconds). The
    unit cannot be combined with other units, and defaults to seconds when
    omitted. Examples are ‘3600’ which is equivalent to ‘1h’ (one hour), and
    ‘1825d’ which is equivalent to ‘5y’ (5 years).

    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

    And what's the correct format!!!!

    Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

    Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

    I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!
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  • Tim Schaefer at May 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm ⇧
    Puppet docs are the last place I look not the first place, and that's my
    annoyance with the documentation.

    Clear, complete, unambiguous, working docs with real-world examples are
    what we need. It gets really annoying to have to download modules from
    forge and have to wade through code to see what is the correct approach is,
    especially when so many modules don't have documentation either.
      pe_accounts is a classic example of incomplete, confusing documentation.
      Some of it just makes no sense at all, especially since it has no
    authoritative examples that are complete enough to use. No docs on how to
    set up external data sources. Very annoying and ironic, since Puppet is
    supposed to save me time. Instead I find myself constantly hunting for
    examples.

    Anyway I did find the snippet of information at the top of the doc, where I
    would never expect to see it.


    Tim



    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Kennedy wrote:

    It is there, just where Eric said it was. No need to get upset.

    It might be helpful to mention where the time notation format can be found
    in the sections where it is used. Would preempt issues like this in the
    future.

    Matt
    On May 28, 2013 1:46 PM, "Tim Schaefer" wrote:

    Item 175: runinterval

    How often puppet agent applies the client configuration; in seconds. Note
    that a runinterval of 0 means “run continuously” rather than “never run.”
    If you want puppet agent to never run, you should start it with the
    --no-client option. Can be specified as a duration.

    - *Default*: 30m


    So, do I put 15m? 900? 900s? There is nothing there that says anything
    you just said.

    None of what you said is in the runinterval documentation. This is the
    first I've ever seen it. You need to update your docs.

    And don't tell me to go over to forge, that's a lazy, inexcusable
    response. You can do better. I don't mind hacking but really when there
    is no where else to find this information you have a responsibility to
    document in a clear, unambiguous form.

    Thanks,

    Tim



    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Eric Sorenson <
    eric.sorenson@puppetlabs.com> wrote:
    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html

    Top of the page, just under the headers:

    Settings that represent time intervals should be specified in duration
    format: an integer immediately followed by one of the units ‘y’ (years of
    365 days), ‘d’ (days), ‘h’ (hours), ‘m’ (minutes), or ‘s’ (seconds). The
    unit cannot be combined with other units, and defaults to seconds when
    omitted. Examples are ‘3600’ which is equivalent to ‘1h’ (one hour), and
    ‘1825d’ which is equivalent to ‘5y’ (5 years).

    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

    And what's the correct format!!!!

    Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

    Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

    I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!
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  • Matthew Burgess at May 28, 2013 at 8:49 pm ⇧

    On 28 May 2013 21:42, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    Puppet docs are the last place I look not the first place, and that's my
    annoyance with the documentation.
    That just sounds...odd. Where would you expect to find things documented,
    if not in the documentation?


    Anyway I did find the snippet of information at the top of the doc, where
    I would never expect to see it.
    Again, maybe I've just got a different mindset, but the parameter you need
    information on is a configuration setting. An explanation for the valid
    values for that setting is in a section titled 'Configuration Settings' and
    somehow that's not where you would expect to see it? Where do you think a
    better place would be?

    Thanks,

    Matt.

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  • Ellison Marks at May 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm ⇧
    Well, it's an open source project. If you feel the docs aren't clear
    enough, you can file a ticket or submit a pull request via git.

    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/contribute.html
    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:42:40 PM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    Puppet docs are the last place I look not the first place, and that's my
    annoyance with the documentation.

    Clear, complete, unambiguous, working docs with real-world examples are
    what we need. It gets really annoying to have to download modules from
    forge and have to wade through code to see what is the correct approach is,
    especially when so many modules don't have documentation either.
    pe_accounts is a classic example of incomplete, confusing documentation.
    Some of it just makes no sense at all, especially since it has no
    authoritative examples that are complete enough to use. No docs on how to
    set up external data sources. Very annoying and ironic, since Puppet is
    supposed to save me time. Instead I find myself constantly hunting for
    examples.

    Anyway I did find the snippet of information at the top of the doc, where
    I would never expect to see it.


    Tim




    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Kennedy <mattke...@gmail.com<javascript:>
    wrote:
    It is there, just where Eric said it was. No need to get upset.

    It might be helpful to mention where the time notation format can be
    found in the sections where it is used. Would preempt issues like this in
    the future.

    Matt
    On May 28, 2013 1:46 PM, "Tim Schaefer" <asysar...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
    wrote:
    Item 175: runinterval

    How often puppet agent applies the client configuration; in seconds.
    Note that a runinterval of 0 means “run continuously” rather than “never
    run.” If you want puppet agent to never run, you should start it with the
    --no-client option. Can be specified as a duration.

    - *Default*: 30m


    So, do I put 15m? 900? 900s? There is nothing there that says anything
    you just said.

    None of what you said is in the runinterval documentation. This is the
    first I've ever seen it. You need to update your docs.

    And don't tell me to go over to forge, that's a lazy, inexcusable
    response. You can do better. I don't mind hacking but really when there
    is no where else to find this information you have a responsibility to
    document in a clear, unambiguous form.

    Thanks,

    Tim



    On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Eric Sorenson <
    eric.s...@puppetlabs.com <javascript:>> wrote:
    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html

    Top of the page, just under the headers:

    Settings that represent time intervals should be specified in duration
    format: an integer immediately followed by one of the units ‘y’ (years of
    365 days), ‘d’ (days), ‘h’ (hours), ‘m’ (minutes), or ‘s’ (seconds). The
    unit cannot be combined with other units, and defaults to seconds when
    omitted. Examples are ‘3600’ which is equivalent to ‘1h’ (one hour), and
    ‘1825d’ which is equivalent to ‘5y’ (5 years).

    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:07:34 AM UTC-7, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    OK so is it minutes or seconds for runinterval?

    And what's the correct format!!!!

    Please put an example in the docs!!!!!

    Do I use 15m for 15 minutes or is it 900 for 900 seconds?????

    I hate ambiguity in documentation!!!!! Be precise!
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  • Tim Schaefer at May 29, 2013 at 5:26 am ⇧
    Thanks for your response, and I'm sorry for ranting, but I remain
    unhappy with the docs. My expectations do remain high for Puppet
    Enterprise, and the open source product, I am certainly a huge fan.

    But I don't think it's unreasonable to have complete docs that include
    working examples of code and even diagrams to show the overall
    architecture. I wish I had the bandwidth to work on the docs myself,
    but too busy with my regular work to do that.

    Anyway... Anything you can do to make end users more capable of using
    your product is a win for you and not your competition.

    Thanks,

    Tim
    On May 28, 2:32 pm, Ellison Marks wrote:
    Well, it's an open source project. If you feel the docs aren't clear
    enough, you can file a ticket or submit a pull request via git.

    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/contribute.html
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  • Eric Sorenson at May 29, 2013 at 6:03 am ⇧
    Absolutely true Tim and while I thank the folks on the thread who chimed in, I totally understand your frustration.

    Sure docs are never perfect but the fact is you were looking for something specific and couldn't find it, and that sucks.

    Were you looking at the output of 'puppet master --genconfig' or 'puppet man master', (or something else?) when you ran into the 'duration' term and couldn't find where that was defined?

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    On May 28, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Tim Schaefer wrote:

    Thanks for your response, and I'm sorry for ranting, but I remain
    unhappy with the docs. My expectations do remain high for Puppet
    Enterprise, and the open source product, I am certainly a huge fan.

    But I don't think it's unreasonable to have complete docs that include
    working examples of code and even diagrams to show the overall
    architecture. I wish I had the bandwidth to work on the docs myself,
    but too busy with my regular work to do that.

    Anyway... Anything you can do to make end users more capable of using
    your product is a win for you and not your competition.

    Thanks,

    Tim
    On May 28, 2:32 pm, Ellison Marks wrote:
    Well, it's an open source project. If you feel the docs aren't clear
    enough, you can file a ticket or submit a pull request via git.

    http://docs.puppetlabs.com/contribute.html
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  • Tim Schaefer at May 30, 2013 at 2:05 am ⇧

    On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:03:26 PM UTC-7, Eric Sorenson wrote:

    Absolutely true Tim and while I thank the folks on the thread who chimed
    in, I totally understand your frustration.

    Sure docs are never perfect but the fact is you were looking for something
    specific and couldn't find it, and that sucks.

    Were you looking at the output of 'puppet master --genconfig' or 'puppet
    man master', (or something else?) when you ran into the 'duration' term and
    couldn't find where that was defined?
    No, I was simply trying to change the behavior of the runinterval so that I
    could get more frequent updates than the 30 minute default.

    I think my frustration is based on speed and pressure to make things work.
      I have your competition nipping at my heels and I don't have time to
    search high and low for answers. Speed matters. I would even go so far
    <gasp> to say that IBM's online docs are a better format than Puppet
    because it's all in one place, no flipping around various pages. There is
    great value in tree-style dialogs, with a tree on the left, and content on
    the right. Very fast to work with this kind of documentation. Just
    sayin...


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  • Steve F at May 29, 2013 at 11:09 am ⇧
    My puppet documentation from running
    # puppet master --genconfig
    reveals:
         # How often puppet agent applies the client configuration; in seconds.
         # Note that a runinterval of 0 means "run continuously" rather than
         # "never run." If you want puppet agent to never run, you should start
         # it with the `--no-client` option.
         # The default value is '1800'.
         # runinterval = 1800

    Pretty clearly defined there, I think.

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