[go-nuts] Offtopic: propaganda against Google from groups of media in Europe

Unless activism is one of the agenda to pursue, topics such as this one to
be discussed on golang list is not a good precedent.

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This is offtopic and this is the only way that I have for that people on
Google knows what's happening.
i.e. ago 2 weeks, into written press, they had an advertisement to people
about if they would support to a company that negotiates with drug fraud
(medicines) through Google.

El viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2012 08:48:58 UTC, Shivakumar GN escribió:

Yes agreed,* this is offtopic* *and again it isen't because the negativ
propaganda impacts everything*, also users of Google programming languages
and so on.

*Axel Springer AG, Chairman Mathias Döpfner* (Big Print Media House) is the*adversary
* championing a campaign against Google in Germany and on into the European
Level, using their ties into the German political scene to kickoff
legislation *against Google* both locally and internationally. What they
want is a *monopoly on News via new copyright legislation. *

*Axel Springer* is a *paparrazi* type tabloid publisher and has broad based
opposition amongst the german population because of their intellectually
undemanding and *sleazy journalism*, nevertheless they are a force to be
reckoned with.

Yes, Google needs to do more about it. First step is to identify the
adversary (see above ... I am also quite sure that Mudoch is somewhere in
there amongst others). Then develop a strategy, (divide & conquer). Looks
to me like Google will likely need more local resources skilled in dealing
with this type of thing. Google does have huge support amongst its german
user base, people are not stupid, they know who is really evil...

So you're saying that in order to promote a "free and open web" google
should censor any comments against that idea?

You're hilarious.

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El viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2012 12:41:29 UTC, tomwilde escribió:
I have not said that that idea been to promote the "free and open web"; it
is to fighting against all those media groups.

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One image was sent to me from somebody in Spain.

It is about an announcement which was published in the newspaper "El País"
on 2012,
29 November, about the first page in section international. It is not a
little
announcement, since it occupies a quarter page.

That anouncement is here: http://www.fairsearcheurope.eu/trustnomore/
(The newspaper has it in spanish).

Like you can say, it's very serious since that newspaper is one of the main
ones in Spain. And it's possible that it's being printed in another ones.

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This demonstrates the power that Google have, it's a good thing in some way. :)

But, AFAIK, the takeaction was related to the ITU rulling the internet.
Eye for an Eye and everybody end's blind.

AFAIK, Google already demonstrated that this isn't the way they work.


This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
decided that the Google's President for Brazil should go to jail
because a user posted a video on youtube during the election's and
google didn't removed the video.

[sarcasm] Apparent exposing your opinions during that time isn't legal.

This kind of activism is often an ideological attack by those who would
limit the information of citizens. Some times it is paid for by
competitors. Every now and then, it is because we made a mistake that we
need to fix. I assure you that all instances are noticed by Google.

I'm certainly made aware if it, because it is my job to go where these
events occur to bring logic and information to the complainers and see if
we need to do something differently. A little listening and some open
sharing tends to resolve everything peacefully, except the case where the
angry voice is simply using us to make their own speech get headlines.
After all the honest discussion fails with people like that, you just have
to shrug and ignore them.

In no case has a head of state threatened me about Go, so I think we're
safely disjoint from these issues here in the discussion group. ;-)

This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
Yes, this really isn't legal here in Brazil. The judge done what our legal
system allows him to do. But, youtube isn't a traditional media. This
isn't an excuse to ignore a judge's decision. But the judge could be
less hard and give some strong advice before acting this way. Anyway
this case isn't related to the events in discussion. It was not the media
against Google. It was a judge's decision. And the judge doesn't mean
to be against Google just because he decided this way. The same judge
in another case/context may decide in favor of Google. The main point
in this thread is about the image Google has in the media and a country
population. At least here in the south of Brazil Google has a very respected
image. And I would be very surprised if it would be much different in other
parts of the country.

Best Regards.
Luis Otávio de Colla Furquim



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My point is: In most cases those responsible for rulling, aren't well
prepared to handle new technologies (like youtube) and sometimes weird
cases (like the one I cited) become focus of the news, you remember
the Cicarela case...

The real problem is way more complex than bad image for Google (and
any other company). Probably Google is the company that respect most
of our rights (they allow anybody to move their data out of Google,
unlike other companys with a face of a book).

First the China problem, now German, France, Spain. I hope is that
things don't get ugly as in China (I don't think they will). But
tomorrow can be another country regulator that think he/she is the
most smart person in the world.

And sorry for the misunderstanding, wasn't intentional.

This discussion thread has nothing to do with the Go programming
language and as such is completely off-topic for golang-nuts. I know
it can be difficult to avoid responding, but please try to keep these
kinds of discussions elsewhere. Thanks.

Ian

Actually, the last person in that series of exchanges will still have
one eye left at the end.