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Google is being victim of propaganda since different groups of media,
specially in newspapers and on sites like Diggit but specific into european
countries -Germany, France, Spain- (more of 90 percent of comments on those
sites are against Google).

And this propaganda campaign is being very hard since they have put online:
https://www.google.com/takeaction/
So, if some Google community manager in Europe contact with me, I could be
more specific with him about those sites.

Like suggestion, at the first you remove links to those groups of media
from your searcher, and lastly, you create a news agency hiring local
journalists, and you'll see like they will regret.

Note: I'm not fan of a multi-national and I know that they are ony
defending it because their businesses interests. But this is something very
important to avoid the censhorship to Internet.

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  • Shivakumar GN at Dec 7, 2012 at 8:49 am
    Unless activism is one of the agenda to pursue, topics such as this one to
    be discussed on golang list is not a good precedent.

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  • Archos at Dec 7, 2012 at 9:03 am
    This is offtopic and this is the only way that I have for that people on
    Google knows what's happening.
    i.e. ago 2 weeks, into written press, they had an advertisement to people
    about if they would support to a company that negotiates with drug fraud
    (medicines) through Google.

    El viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2012 08:48:58 UTC, Shivakumar GN escribió:
    Unless activism is one of the agenda to pursue, topics such as this one to
    be discussed on golang list is not a good precedent.
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  • Paul at Dec 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Yes agreed,* this is offtopic* *and again it isen't because the negativ
    propaganda impacts everything*, also users of Google programming languages
    and so on.

    *Axel Springer AG, Chairman Mathias Döpfner* (Big Print Media House) is the*adversary
    * championing a campaign against Google in Germany and on into the European
    Level, using their ties into the German political scene to kickoff
    legislation *against Google* both locally and internationally. What they
    want is a *monopoly on News via new copyright legislation. *

    *Axel Springer* is a *paparrazi* type tabloid publisher and has broad based
    opposition amongst the german population because of their intellectually
    undemanding and *sleazy journalism*, nevertheless they are a force to be
    reckoned with.

    Yes, Google needs to do more about it. First step is to identify the
    adversary (see above ... I am also quite sure that Mudoch is somewhere in
    there amongst others). Then develop a strategy, (divide & conquer). Looks
    to me like Google will likely need more local resources skilled in dealing
    with this type of thing. Google does have huge support amongst its german
    user base, people are not stupid, they know who is really evil...
    On Friday, December 7, 2012 9:23:49 AM UTC+1, Archos wrote:

    Google is being victim of propaganda since different groups of media,
    specially in newspapers and on sites like Diggit but specific into european
    countries -Germany, France, Spain- (more of 90 percent of comments on those
    sites are against Google).

    And this propaganda campaign is being very hard since they have put
    online: https://www.google.com/takeaction/
    So, if some Google community manager in Europe contact with me, I could be
    more specific with him about those sites.

    Like suggestion, at the first you remove links to those groups of media
    from your searcher, and lastly, you create a news agency hiring local
    journalists, and you'll see like they will regret.

    Note: I'm not fan of a multi-national and I know that they are ony
    defending it because their businesses interests. But this is something very
    important to avoid the censhorship to Internet.
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  • Tomwilde at Dec 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    remove links to those groups of media from your searcher

    So you're saying that in order to promote a "free and open web" google
    should censor any comments against that idea?

    You're hilarious.

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  • Archos at Dec 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    El viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2012 12:41:29 UTC, tomwilde escribió:
    remove links to those groups of media from your searcher


    So you're saying that in order to promote a "free and open web" google
    should censor any comments against that idea?

    You're hilarious.
    I have not said that that idea been to promote the "free and open web"; it
    is to fighting against all those media groups.

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  • Archos at Dec 7, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    One image was sent to me from somebody in Spain.

    It is about an announcement which was published in the newspaper "El País"
    on 2012,
    29 November, about the first page in section international. It is not a
    little
    announcement, since it occupies a quarter page.

    That anouncement is here: http://www.fairsearcheurope.eu/trustnomore/
    (The newspaper has it in spanish).

    Like you can say, it's very serious since that newspaper is one of the main
    ones in Spain. And it's possible that it's being printed in another ones.

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  • André Moraes at Dec 7, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    And this propaganda campaign is being very hard since they have put online:
    https://www.google.com/takeaction/
    This demonstrates the power that Google have, it's a good thing in some way. :)

    But, AFAIK, the takeaction was related to the ITU rulling the internet.
    So, if some Google community manager in Europe contact with me, I could be
    more specific with him about those sites.

    Like suggestion, at the first you remove links to those groups of media from
    your searcher, and lastly, you create a news agency hiring local
    journalists, and you'll see like they will regret.
    Eye for an Eye and everybody end's blind.

    AFAIK, Google already demonstrated that this isn't the way they work.


    This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
    decided that the Google's President for Brazil should go to jail
    because a user posted a video on youtube during the election's and
    google didn't removed the video.

    [sarcasm] Apparent exposing your opinions during that time isn't legal.

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    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info

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  • Michael Jones at Dec 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    This kind of activism is often an ideological attack by those who would
    limit the information of citizens. Some times it is paid for by
    competitors. Every now and then, it is because we made a mistake that we
    need to fix. I assure you that all instances are noticed by Google.

    I'm certainly made aware if it, because it is my job to go where these
    events occur to bring logic and information to the complainers and see if
    we need to do something differently. A little listening and some open
    sharing tends to resolve everything peacefully, except the case where the
    angry voice is simply using us to make their own speech get headlines.
    After all the honest discussion fails with people like that, you just have
    to shrug and ignore them.

    In no case has a head of state threatened me about Go, so I think we're
    safely disjoint from these issues here in the discussion group. ;-)
    On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:28 AM, André Moraes wrote:

    And this propaganda campaign is being very hard since they have put online:
    https://www.google.com/takeaction/
    This demonstrates the power that Google have, it's a good thing in some
    way. :)

    But, AFAIK, the takeaction was related to the ITU rulling the internet.
    So, if some Google community manager in Europe contact with me, I could be
    more specific with him about those sites.

    Like suggestion, at the first you remove links to those groups of media from
    your searcher, and lastly, you create a news agency hiring local
    journalists, and you'll see like they will regret.
    Eye for an Eye and everybody end's blind.

    AFAIK, Google already demonstrated that this isn't the way they work.


    This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
    decided that the Google's President for Brazil should go to jail
    because a user posted a video on youtube during the election's and
    google didn't removed the video.

    [sarcasm] Apparent exposing your opinions during that time isn't legal.

    --
    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info

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  • Luis Furquim at Dec 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
    decided that the Google's President for Brazil should go to jail
    because a user posted a video on youtube during the election's and
    google didn't removed the video.

    [sarcasm] Apparent exposing your opinions during that time isn't legal.

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    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info
    Yes, this really isn't legal here in Brazil. The judge done what our legal
    system allows him to do. But, youtube isn't a traditional media. This
    isn't an excuse to ignore a judge's decision. But the judge could be
    less hard and give some strong advice before acting this way. Anyway
    this case isn't related to the events in discussion. It was not the media
    against Google. It was a judge's decision. And the judge doesn't mean
    to be against Google just because he decided this way. The same judge
    in another case/context may decide in favor of Google. The main point
    in this thread is about the image Google has in the media and a country
    population. At least here in the south of Brazil Google has a very respected
    image. And I would be very surprised if it would be much different in other
    parts of the country.

    Best Regards.
    Luis Otávio de Colla Furquim



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  • André Moraes at Dec 7, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Yes, this really isn't legal here in Brazil. The judge done what our legal
    system allows him to do. But, youtube isn't a traditional media.
    I knew that, but making it legal don't make it right. :(
    The main point in this thread is about the image Google has in the media and a country
    population. At least here in the south of Brazil Google has a very respected
    image. And I would be very surprised if it would be much different in other
    parts of the country.
    I agree with you, and I think up here (southeast) Google is respected too.
    Anyway case isn't related to the events in discussion. It was not the media
    against Google. It was a judge's decision. And the judge doesn't mean
    to be against Google just because he decided this way. The same judge
    in another case/context may decide in favor of Google.
    My point is: In most cases those responsible for rulling, aren't well
    prepared to handle new technologies (like youtube) and sometimes weird
    cases (like the one I cited) become focus of the news, you remember
    the Cicarela case...

    The real problem is way more complex than bad image for Google (and
    any other company). Probably Google is the company that respect most
    of our rights (they allow anybody to move their data out of Google,
    unlike other companys with a face of a book).

    First the China problem, now German, France, Spain. I hope is that
    things don't get ugly as in China (I don't think they will). But
    tomorrow can be another country regulator that think he/she is the
    most smart person in the world.

    And sorry for the misunderstanding, wasn't intentional.

    --
    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info

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  • Ian Lance Taylor at Dec 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm
    This discussion thread has nothing to do with the Go programming
    language and as such is completely off-topic for golang-nuts. I know
    it can be difficult to avoid responding, but please try to keep these
    kinds of discussions elsewhere. Thanks.

    Ian


    On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:22 PM, André Moraes wrote:
    Yes, this really isn't legal here in Brazil. The judge done what our legal
    system allows him to do. But, youtube isn't a traditional media.
    I knew that, but making it legal don't make it right. :(
    The main point in this thread is about the image Google has in the media and a country
    population. At least here in the south of Brazil Google has a very respected
    image. And I would be very surprised if it would be much different in other
    parts of the country.
    I agree with you, and I think up here (southeast) Google is respected too.
    Anyway case isn't related to the events in discussion. It was not the media
    against Google. It was a judge's decision. And the judge doesn't mean
    to be against Google just because he decided this way. The same judge
    in another case/context may decide in favor of Google.
    My point is: In most cases those responsible for rulling, aren't well
    prepared to handle new technologies (like youtube) and sometimes weird
    cases (like the one I cited) become focus of the news, you remember
    the Cicarela case...

    The real problem is way more complex than bad image for Google (and
    any other company). Probably Google is the company that respect most
    of our rights (they allow anybody to move their data out of Google,
    unlike other companys with a face of a book).

    First the China problem, now German, France, Spain. I hope is that
    things don't get ugly as in China (I don't think they will). But
    tomorrow can be another country regulator that think he/she is the
    most smart person in the world.

    And sorry for the misunderstanding, wasn't intentional.

    --
    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info

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  • Robert Snedegar at Dec 8, 2012 at 8:55 am

    On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:28 AM, André Moraes wrote:
    And this propaganda campaign is being very hard since they have put online:
    https://www.google.com/takeaction/
    This demonstrates the power that Google have, it's a good thing in some way. :)

    But, AFAIK, the takeaction was related to the ITU rulling the internet.
    So, if some Google community manager in Europe contact with me, I could be
    more specific with him about those sites.

    Like suggestion, at the first you remove links to those groups of media from
    your searcher, and lastly, you create a news agency hiring local
    journalists, and you'll see like they will regret.
    Eye for an Eye and everybody end's blind.
    Actually, the last person in that series of exchanges will still have
    one eye left at the end.
    AFAIK, Google already demonstrated that this isn't the way they work.


    This situation isn't exclusive to Europe, here in Brazil one judge
    decided that the Google's President for Brazil should go to jail
    because a user posted a video on youtube during the election's and
    google didn't removed the video.

    [sarcasm] Apparent exposing your opinions during that time isn't legal.

    --
    André Moraes
    http://amoraes.info

    --
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