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Spotlight was nice when it came out but hasn't grown out of the old
statistics and ratio based performance monitoring that has long been
supplanted by the wait interface analysis. Waits and CPU usage are
much more exact powerful method of performance analysis. DB Optimizer
is totally based on the wait interface which makes identification and
analysis of issues easy.

Do you mean I3 by Precise when you say E3?
I3 seems pretty good from the demos I've seen and clients I've know
that use it. The issue I hear is that its extremely difficult to set
up. When I talked to Precise about trying it out they said that an
Precise consultant was required to come set it up. That's too much for
me.

Best
Kyle Hailey
http://sites.google.com/site/embtdbo/
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Howard Latham wrote:
I am using spotlight. Its OK - you can tell if it is working - instantly-
but you have to watch the screens - I have two on my desk. Plus it is not
very customisable - wont run scripts - has limited history etc etc. If only
the was an extendable Spotlight! or a reliable OEM.

Is OEM dead?


2009/5/3 Mathias Magnusson
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Nuno Souto wrote:

Guillermo Alan Bort wrote,on my timestamp of 3/05/2009 12:28 AM:
Anyway, I don't really like Symantec... so my comment might be biased.
Yup.
Alan's comment seemed fairly balanced to me. He gave some reasons and
ideas of his experience. When you recommend E3, you give no reason for it.
Could you compare and contrast the features with OEM? What are the strong
points of each and in which situation would you recommend either. To me OEM
is a good tool for getting a quick overview, but fully understanding the
source of a problem needs some digging in OWI and I have yet to hear of a
product that does that so well that I can forget what I know about how to
navigate it.
Mathias

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  • Dbvision_at_iinet.net.au at May 4, 2009 at 9:51 pm
    On Tue May 5 2:38, kyle Hailey sent:
    Do you mean I3 by Precise when you say E3?
    Yes, I do. Sorry.
    up. When I talked to Precise about trying it out they said that an
    Precise consultant was required to come set it up. That's too much for
    me.
    They got rid of Anjo too soon...;)

    I've got to try out DBOptimizer soon.
  • Johnson, George at May 5, 2009 at 9:49 am
    We used I3 for about 4 years.

    It was one of the few monitoring apps we could find back "then"
    that showed application performance based on the WI. Essentially it's a
    SGA attacher, so as usual with those, each time you make even a single
    point patch to a DB, you have to wait until Precise devs release an
    updated executable that can has the new SGA layouts. The great thing I
    liked was that it was R/O graphical web based interface, which meant we
    could hand out logins to all the developers and let them get on with it.
    We dumped it when OEM started showing us the same info as I3 at a much,
    much cheaper price per server. I think it was only supported on RHEL,
    SPARC64 and Windows at the time we used it.

    You really don't need a consultant to set it up, it's actually
    pretty noddy if you follow the instructions. After the initial set up, I
    set up a few I3 collection servers on Solaris and Linux myself, as usual
    they just want to rip the wotnot by charging fees for a consultant to
    come in.



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    Spotlight was nice when it came out but hasn't grown out of the old
    statistics and ratio based performance monitoring that has long been
    supplanted by the wait interface analysis. Waits and CPU usage are
    much more exact powerful method of performance analysis. DB Optimizer
    is totally based on the wait interface which makes identification and
    analysis of issues easy.

    Do you mean I3 by Precise when you say E3?
    I3 seems pretty good from the demos I've seen and clients I've know
    that use it. The issue I hear is that its extremely difficult to set
    up. When I talked to Precise about trying it out they said that an
    Precise consultant was required to come set it up. That's too much for
    me.

    Best
    Kyle Hailey
    http://sites.google.com/site/embtdbo/

    On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Howard Latham
    wrote:
    I am using spotlight. Its OK - you can tell if it is working -
    instantly-
    but you have to watch the screens - I have two on my desk. Plus it is not
    very customisable - wont run scripts - has limited history etc etc. If only
    the was an extendable Spotlight! or a reliable OEM.

    Is OEM dead?


    2009/5/3 Mathias Magnusson
    On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Nuno Souto
    wrote:
    Guillermo Alan Bort wrote,on my timestamp of 3/05/2009 12:28 AM:
    Anyway, I don't really like Symantec... so my comment might be
    biased.
    Yup.
    Alan's comment seemed fairly balanced to me. He gave some reasons and
    ideas of his experience. When you recommend E3, you give no reason
    for it.
    Could you compare and contrast the features with OEM? What are the
    strong
    points of each and in which situation would you recommend either. To
    me OEM
    is a good tool for getting a quick overview, but fully understanding
    the
    source of a problem needs some digging in OWI and I have yet to hear
    of a
    product that does that so well that I can forget what I know about
    how to
    navigate it.
    Mathias

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  • Jeremiah Wilton at Jun 16, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    On May 4, 2009, at 11:38 AM, kyle Hailey wrote:
    I3 seems pretty good from the demos I've seen and clients I've know
    that use it. The issue I hear is that its extremely difficult to set
    up. When I talked to Precise about trying it out they said that an
    Precise consultant was required to come set it up. That's too much for
    me.
    My biggest objection to Symantec (AKA Precise) I3 was that the agent
    API was not open. That meant the only way you can use the time-series
    wait data on each instance is via the GUI. There was no ability to
    write monitoring or automate any task against that data. With ASH and
    AWR you can dice and slice the data any way you want using SQL. My
    earlier version experience with I3 doesn't support the assertion that
    you need a consultant to set it up.

    Regards,

    Jeremiah Wilton
    Blue Gecko, Inc.
    http://www.bluegecko.net

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