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Hello Gurus,

I would like to program our VC++ application to
directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

Any help would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Muru


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  • Ji, Richard at Nov 9, 2002 at 3:18 am
    Hrm. But that's why everyone is doing web-based(three-tier) applications
    to avoid doing that kind of thing. Even if you manage to include Oracle
    client into your app, you will still face the challenge of rolling
    your app on 1000 PCs. Plus subsequent fixes, new versions.

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:14 PM
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    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Muru


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  • Justin Cave at Nov 9, 2002 at 4:53 am
    If you really need to develop a client/server application, rather than
    going for the eminently reasonable suggestion of using a three-tier
    architecture, I'd start by looking into response files. This allows you to
    script the Oracle Universal Installer, so that the necessary client
    components will be installed without user intervention. This could be
    called as the first step in your install program.

    http://tahiti.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92.drilldown?levelnum=1&preference=&expand_all=&book=&method=FULL&chapters=0&verb=&word=response+file#a96697
    At 08:18 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote:
    Hrm. But that's why everyone is doing web-based(three-tier) applications
    to avoid doing that kind of thing. Even if you manage to include Oracle
    client into your app, you will still face the challenge of rolling
    your app on 1000 PCs. Plus subsequent fixes, new versions.

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:14 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Muru


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  • Jay at Nov 9, 2002 at 5:13 pm
    I'd recommend using web services. This will give you are center place to
    have your app logic, and connect to the database. Your client side installs
    could be smaller and the need for usgrade would be less.

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    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:18 PM
    Hrm. But that's why everyone is doing web-based(three-tier) applications
    to avoid doing that kind of thing. Even if you manage to include Oracle
    client into your app, you will still face the challenge of rolling
    your app on 1000 PCs. Plus subsequent fixes, new versions.

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:14 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Muru


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  • DENNIS WILLIAMS at Nov 10, 2002 at 8:28 pm
    Muru - I agree with Richard. This is the time to investigate a Web interface
    for this application. Otherwise you're just starting down the path of a long
    headache that will only get worse with time. As to your direct question, the
    only interface that I am aware of that bypasses the SQL*Net interface is
    JDBC thin client. And in my limited experience, I've seen zero problems when
    JDBC thin client is used (have heard others on this list have experienced
    some), but a lot of problems with the Microsoft ADO interface. Now you just
    have to figure out how to interface VC++ and Java. But, I would expect that
    Microsoft has some code that will cause the PC to self-destruct if you
    attempt it.

    Dennis Williams
    DBA, 40%OCP

    Lifetouch, Inc.
    dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:18 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Hrm. But that's why everyone is doing web-based(three-tier) applications
    to avoid doing that kind of thing. Even if you manage to include Oracle
    client into your app, you will still face the challenge of rolling
    your app on 1000 PCs. Plus subsequent fixes, new versions.

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:14 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Muru


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  • Muru at Nov 12, 2002 at 12:04 am
    Thanks a lot guys! I really appreciate your input.
    FYI...we are already in the process of webifying the
    system, I wanted a solution until we complete that
    project.

    Muru

    DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
    Muru - I agree with Richard. This is the time to
    investigate a Web interface
    for this application. Otherwise you're just starting
    down the path of a long
    headache that will only get worse with time. As to
    your direct question, the
    only interface that I am aware of that bypasses the
    SQL*Net interface is
    JDBC thin client. And in my limited experience, I've
    seen zero problems when
    JDBC thin client is used (have heard others on this
    list have experienced
    some), but a lot of problems with the Microsoft ADO
    interface. Now you just
    have to figure out how to interface VC++ and Java.
    But, I would expect that
    Microsoft has some code that will cause the PC to
    self-destruct if you
    attempt it.

    Dennis Williams
    DBA, 40%OCP
    Lifetouch, Inc.
    dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:18 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    Hrm. But that's why everyone is doing
    web-based(three-tier) applications
    to avoid doing that kind of thing. Even if you
    manage to include Oracle
    client into your app, you will still face the
    challenge of rolling
    your app on 1000 PCs. Plus subsequent fixes, new
    versions.

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:14 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or
    OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on
    1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle
    client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process.
    I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and
    other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and

    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Muru


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  • Dgoulet_at_vicr.com at Nov 12, 2002 at 3:24 pm
    Muru,

    You generated quite a bit of mail here. Regrettably I'm getting in on it
    late, decided this vet was taking Veterans Day off yesterday. Anyway, with any
    application you HAVE to make a choice up front to either use client/server or
    three tier be that web services, tuxedo, or something else. That decision then
    shapes your needs for a client toolset. My first point to decide is the
    deployment location(s) for the app. If it's small and all have easy access to
    the database, client/server. On the other hand if it's small but the clients do
    not have easy access to the server (firewall in the way) then web. If large,
    probably a transaction processor of some sorts. UNLESS your seriously using
    NAMED USERS in which case client/server is the only way to keep out of license
    trouble. Get anything between your client and server and Oracle interprets that
    as an "uncountable user population" requiring CPU licensing.

    Dick Goulet

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    Hello Gurus,

    I would like to program our VC++ application to
    directly connect to Oracle database using OO4O or OCI.
    But the problem is this VC++ app is gonna run on 1000s
    of desktops where we may have to install Oracle client
    which will be a time consuming in-efficient process. I
    am trying to see if the required client dlls and other
    files can be combined in the VC++ package itself and
    delivered to those 1000s of desktops.

    Can any of you give some insight into this, please?

    Any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,
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