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Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??

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  • Ji, Richard at Aug 30, 2002 at 5:53 pm
    Are you kidding? So what do we use to startup and shutdown db? OEM?
    I don't think there is any truth to this one.

    Richard

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  • Rachel Carmichael at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:08 pm
    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...

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  • Ltiu at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:08 pm
    Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!
    On Friday 30 August 2002 09:23, Freeman, Robert wrote:
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  • Jan Pruner at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:28 pm
    Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful and
    most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

    :-)))
    BTW: Anybody's using gqlplus?
    http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

    JP
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  • Ltiu at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:33 pm
    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...

    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
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  • Gogala, Mladen at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:48 pm
    We only need to start it. It usually stops itself without human control.
    That is why we have ora-600 and ora-7445 features implemented in PMON
    and SMON. As for starting and stopping, let me be innovative:
    What do you say to call the start/stop program "IOR" and have
    database startup performed by "ior w" and database creation by "ior i"
    ("i" liki "init"). That would be a new and improved thing, wouldn't it?
    May be, calling the program "sqldba" would be even better. Integrating
    an ncurses version of top sessions monitor and rollback segment monitor
    would also be an outrageous improvement, don't you think so?
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    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...


    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


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  • Farnsworth, Dave at Aug 30, 2002 at 6:48 pm
    What would be the replacement??

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    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??

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  • Rodd Holman at Aug 30, 2002 at 7:24 pm
    oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl
    or sqlplus depending on version. Are you saying that they are going to
    port oradim to *NIX??

    Rodd

    On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???


    They got rid of SVRMGR.


    ltiu

    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM... >
    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
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    > >
    > >
    RF
    > >
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  • Gogala, Mladen at Aug 30, 2002 at 7:44 pm
    Connected to that, there is a rumor tha M$ will buy Oracle Corp., with
    Larry Ellison taking the place of Steve Ballmer.

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    oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl or
    sqlplus depending on version. Are you saying that they are going to port
    oradim to *NIX??

    Rodd

    On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:

    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM... >
    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??
    > >

    > >
    RF
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  • Joe Testa at Aug 30, 2002 at 7:53 pm
    thats the Stupid WINDOZE way.

    joe

    ltiu wrote:
    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:

    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...

    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


    RF

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  • Ltiu at Aug 30, 2002 at 7:58 pm
    Why not? It's easy to use. It will increase Oracle's market share to the dumb
    and dumber.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 12:24, you wrote:
    oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl
    or sqlplus depending on version. Are you saying that they are going to
    port oradim to *NIX??

    Rodd

    On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes
    away? and please don't say OEM...

    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


    RF

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  • Ltiu at Aug 30, 2002 at 7:58 pm
    Rumor ...

    They might as well buy SUN along the way (and get rid of Java for good).
    SUN's market cap is only $13B. MS got $300B.
    On Friday 30 August 2002 12:44, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
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    oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's use svrmgrl or
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    oradim to *NIX??

    Rodd

    On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???



    They got rid of SVRMGR.



    ltiu
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    and please don't say OEM...

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  • Orr, Steve at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:28 pm
    BTW: Anybody's using gqlplus?
    Whoa, I've been looking for something like this. Is it any good?

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    http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

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  • Gogala, Mladen at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:28 pm
    Having McNealy, Ellison and Gates working for the same company?
    It would be somewhat like Heller's "Milo Enterprises"
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    Rumor ...

    They might as well buy SUN along the way (and get rid of Java
    for good).
    SUN's market cap is only $13B. MS got $300B.
    On Friday 30 August 2002 12:44, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
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    Larry Ellison taking the place of Steve Ballmer.

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    oradim is only a windows thingy. Those of us on real OS's
    use svrmgrl or
    sqlplus depending on version. Are you saying that they are
    going to port
    oradim to *NIX??

    Rodd

    On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 13:33, ltiu wrote:

    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???



    They got rid of SVRMGR.



    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
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    and please don't say OEM...

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  • Freeman, Robert at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:43 pm
    They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can use
    that (and OEM)
    for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear will
    be gone.

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    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
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    and please don't say OEM...

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  • Freeman, Robert at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:52 pm
    And as for OEM, I've heard from several sources that Oracle is going to
    position that product more and more to be "THE" database management
    interface. It's going to start feeling like we are working on a
    SQL Server database before you know it.

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    "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
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  • Jared.Still_at_radisys.com at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:58 pm
    Just tried it.

    Took 5 minutes to break it with this:

    set sqlprompt '&&umachine - &who_var@&instance_var SQL> '

    Jared

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    most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

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  • Philip Douglass at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:58 pm
    I've been looking for something like this too -- unfortunately it doesn't
    work on my platform (UnixWare 7) out of the box, and I haven't had time to
    figure out why not.

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    most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

    :-)))
    BTW: Anybody's using gqlplus?
    http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

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  • Freeman, Robert at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:58 pm
    McNealy, Ellison and Gates
    Sounds like one of those injury law firms that advertises on late night
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  • Jared.Still_at_radisys.com at Aug 30, 2002 at 8:58 pm
    Yeah, let's break the backbone of many dba's toolbox.

    This must be one of the stupider things they've done lately.

    Reminds of a time when I repaired computers, and the mfgr
    wanted to remove test points from boards to save $0.25.

    I would guess we could make use of IOUG to take up this issue.

    Jared

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    They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can use
    that (and OEM)
    for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear will
    be gone.

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    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
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  • Brian McGraw at Aug 30, 2002 at 9:08 pm
    And how will they support automated jobs (i.e., cron) that use sqlplus??

    I've already had to rewrite scripts from svrmgrl to sqlplus. I don't
    want to go through that again.

    I'm hoping, Robert, that you're just pulling everyone's leg.... :)
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    They are going to have iSQL*Plus (or however it's spelled) and you can
    use
    that (and OEM)
    for startup and shutdown. The SQL*Plus text and windows clinet I hear
    will
    be gone.

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    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
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  • Orr, Steve at Aug 30, 2002 at 10:43 pm
    That's not really a show stopper as far as I'm concerned.

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    Just tried it.

    Took 5 minutes to break it with this:

    set sqlprompt '&&umachine - &who_var@&instance_var SQL> '

    Jared

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    BTW: Anybody's using gqlplus?
    Whoa, I've been looking for something like this. Is it any good?

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    Yes, Oracle will sell it as standalone product because it is most useful
    and

    most used client software on Oracle. The licence model is 'per session'.

    :-)))
    BTW: Anybody's using gqlplus?
    http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

    JP
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  • Rachel Carmichael at Aug 31, 2002 at 2:23 am
    does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

    And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
    svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.

    ltiu wrote:
    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
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  • Rachel Carmichael at Aug 31, 2002 at 2:23 am
    I LOVE that idea

    I miss the monitor function :)

    "Gogala, Mladen" wrote:
    We only need to start it. It usually stops itself without human
    control.
    That is why we have ora-600 and ora-7445 features implemented in PMON

    and SMON. As for starting and stopping, let me be innovative:
    What do you say to call the start/stop program "IOR" and have
    database startup performed by "ior w" and database creation by "ior
    i"
    ("i" liki "init"). That would be a new and improved thing, wouldn't
    it?
    May be, calling the program "sqldba" would be even better.
    Integrating
    an ncurses version of top sessions monitor and rollback segment
    monitor
    would also be an outrageous improvement, don't you think so?
    -----Original Message-----
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    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...


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  • Rachel Carmichael at Aug 31, 2002 at 2:28 am
    I can't code scripts to be run by the operations staff via OEM. I
    don't want to give that much access to non-DBA staff.

    I told Ken Jacobs this years ago when he said at an NYOUG meeting that
    "soon your database will be controlled from the web"

    "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    And as for OEM, I've heard from several sources that Oracle is going
    to
    position that product more and more to be "THE" database management
    interface. It's going to start feeling like we are working on a
    SQL Server database before you know it.

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    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes
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    and please don't say OEM...


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  • Ltiu at Aug 31, 2002 at 3:18 am
    I wonder why there is no Oradim under Unix/Linux?

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 19:23, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
    does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

    And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
    svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.

    --- ltiu wrote:
    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
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    and please don't say OEM...

    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
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    RF

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  • Ji, Richard at Aug 31, 2002 at 3:23 am
    No it doesn't. oradim is used to create/start/stop oracle services.
    There is no such thing as NT services on Unix.

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    does oradim work in Unix boxes? I've never used it

    And it took a LOT of releases and warnings before they got rid of
    svrmgr.. they started saying it was going away in version 7 I believe.

    ltiu wrote:
    oradim -startup -sid -pfile ???

    They got rid of SVRMGR.

    ltiu
    On Friday 30 August 2002 11:08, you wrote:
    How do they expect you to start and stop the database if it goes away?
    and please don't say OEM...

    --- "Freeman, Robert" wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??


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    The avalanche has begun, It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

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  • Jonathan Gennick at Aug 31, 2002 at 3:48 am

    On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:23:27 -0800, you wrote:
    Anyone else hear that SQL*Plus is going away in 10i??
    The story I heard is that only the Windows version, the one that wraps
    a GUI around the command-line, goes away. The DOS version stays (or so
    I've been told, but I forget by who).

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