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So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
(Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
do I go for more Oracle training?

This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
Or is that where I'm at now?

Confused and no beer.

Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • Khedr, Waleed at Feb 7, 2002 at 11:43 pm
    Time to do some work!

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    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • Rachel Carmichael at Feb 8, 2002 at 1:38 am
    you're at the internals classes....

    and the conferences. At this point in time, I tell managers that the
    only way I learn is to attend the conferences

    "Jesse, Rich" wrote:
    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL,
    DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now
    where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new
    databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never
    used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm
    far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to
    there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than
    Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI
    USA
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  • Robertson Lee - lerobe at Feb 8, 2002 at 10:21 am
    Its Friday, the immediate solution is "get beer" !! As to your other problem
    its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and
    Gaja.

    Lee

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • James McCann at Feb 8, 2002 at 11:29 am
    I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come
    to it, try "Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory"
    by Steve Adams.

    And of course book.

    Jim

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    Lee - lerobe
    Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58
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    Its Friday, the immediate solution is "get beer" !! As to your other problem
    its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and
    Gaja.

    Lee

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • James McCann at Feb 8, 2002 at 12:37 pm
    I meant to say "of course Kirti's book"

    Jim

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    McCann
    Sent: 08 February 2002 11:18
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    I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come
    to it, try "Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory"
    by Steve Adams.

    And of course book.

    Jim

    -----Original Message-----
    Lee - lerobe
    Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Its Friday, the immediate solution is "get beer" !! As to your other problem
    its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and
    Gaja.

    Lee

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • Jack C. Applewhite at Feb 8, 2002 at 5:05 pm
    Rich,

    The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is "playing around" with a
    small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it,
    etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by
    others on this list - even better.

    I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989.
    It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've
    attended some of the "mini" courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice
    little "hits" of the latest technologies. I "studied" for my Oracle8 OCP
    exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on
    my PC - learned a hell of a lot.

    My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to "Beating, Browsing
    and Books".

    Beat up a test database
    Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB)
    Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB)

    I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and
    saved a pile of money.;-)

    Jack

    Jack C. Applewhite
    Database Administrator/Developer
    OCP Oracle8 DBA
    iNetProfit, Inc.
    Austin, Texas
    www.iNetProfit.com
    japplewhite_at_inetprofit.com
    (512)327-9068

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • Jesse, Rich at Feb 8, 2002 at 6:09 pm
    OK, from the responses, here's The Plan:

    Get beer. I prefer Guinness or Goose Island. Done.

    Get Oracle Perf Tuning 101. Done.

    Get more beer.

    Beat up on some test DBs, and work on real live DBs to engrain that
    class material into the surviving brain cells (see Step 1). Sorta done with
    this one, but I need more. The 22 DBs here at work and 1 at home ought to
    help!

    Get more beer.

    Go to Oracle conferences. I need to go!!!!

    Get more beer.

    Hit the web, preferrably with beer in non-mouse hand. (Wisconsin
    twin-can beer hat optional)

    Go to Internals class and actually understand and learn from it.
    Yay!

    Get lots more beer.

    Actually do some work here.

    Sounds good folks. I think I'm on the right track (sans beer at work, of
    course), with my Oracle course work completed over a year ago, and some DBA
    "experiences" under my belt. Time to plunk away at more DBs!

    Thanks! :)

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

    President, Beer Ale Lager Lovers Society
    http://www.westbend.net/~legoman

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:58 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Rich,

    The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is "playing around" with a
    small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it,
    etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by
    others on this list - even better.

    I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989.
    It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've
    attended some of the "mini" courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice
    little "hits" of the latest technologies. I "studied" for my Oracle8 OCP
    exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on
    my PC - learned a hell of a lot.

    My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to "Beating, Browsing
    and Books".

    Beat up a test database
    Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB)
    Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB)

    I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and
    saved a pile of money.;-)

    Jack

    Jack C. Applewhite
    Database Administrator/Developer
    OCP Oracle8 DBA
    iNetProfit, Inc.
    Austin, Texas
    www.iNetProfit.com
    japplewhite_at_inetprofit.com
    (512)327-9068

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • DENNIS WILLIAMS at Feb 8, 2002 at 6:10 pm
    Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in
    understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more
    redundant from that aspect? Thanks.
    Dennis Williams
    DBA

    Lifetouch, Inc.
    dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:18 AM
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    I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come
    to it, try "Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory"
    by Steve Adams.

    And of course book.

    Jim

    -----Original Message-----
    Lee - lerobe
    Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Its Friday, the immediate solution is "get beer" !! As to your other problem
    its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and
    Gaja.

    Lee

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

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  • Joseph S Testa at Feb 8, 2002 at 6:38 pm
    Definitely #6. I've learned more from conferences that anywhere else.
    If nothing else you get to drink with the people from the list :), i'
    ll be at IOUG.

    joe

    Jesse, Rich wrote:
    OK, from the responses, here's The Plan:

    1) Get beer. I prefer Guinness or Goose Island. Done.

    2) Get Oracle Perf Tuning 101. Done.

    3) Get more beer.

    4) Beat up on some test DBs, and work on real live DBs to engrain that
    class material into the surviving brain cells (see Step 1). Sorta done with
    this one, but I need more. The 22 DBs here at work and 1 at home ought to
    help!

    5) Get more beer.

    6) Go to Oracle conferences. I need to go!!!!

    7) Get more beer.

    8) Hit the web, preferrably with beer in non-mouse hand. (Wisconsin
    twin-can beer hat optional)

    9) Go to Internals class and actually understand and learn from it.
    Yay!

    10) Get lots more beer.

    11) Actually do some work here.


    Sounds good folks. I think I'm on the right track (sans beer at work, of
    course), with my Oracle course work completed over a year ago, and some DBA
    "experiences" under my belt. Time to plunk away at more DBs!

    Thanks! :)

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
    Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA
    President, Beer Ale Lager Lovers Society
    http://www.westbend.net/~legoman


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    Rich,

    The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is "playing around" with a
    small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it,
    etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by
    others on this list - even better.

    I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989.
    It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've
    attended some of the "mini" courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice
    little "hits" of the latest technologies. I "studied" for my Oracle8 OCP
    exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on
    my PC - learned a hell of a lot.

    My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to "Beating, Browsing
    and Books".
    - Beat up a test database
    - Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB)
    - Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB)

    I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and
    saved a pile of money.;-)

    Jack

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    So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA
    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.
    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH
    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from
    being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.
    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

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  • Aponte, Tony at Feb 8, 2002 at 7:13 pm
    I haven't read the Tuning 101 but it sounds like it lets you know where you are waiting.  The Internals book will give you in-depth knowledge of why by diving deeper into some of the algorithms used to implement those waits.  Break out the aspirin 'cause it ain't leisure reading.

    HTH

    Tony Aponte

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    Subject: RE: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in

    understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more

    redundant from that aspect? Thanks.

    Dennis Williams

    DBA

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    I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come

    to it, try "Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory"

    by Steve Adams.

    And of course book.

    Jim

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    Its Friday, the immediate solution is "get beer" !! As to your other problem

    its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and

    Gaja.

    Lee

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    So, there I am.  I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA

    (Oracle 7!), Backup & Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning.  Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases.

    We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH

    or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes.  And I *know* I'm far from

    being ready for an Internals class.  So how do I get from here to there?

    education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals.

    Or is that where I'm at now?

    Confused and no beer.

    Rich Jesse                        System/Database Administrator

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  • Jesse, Rich at Feb 8, 2002 at 9:22 pm
    A year or two ago, I picked up Steve's book in a bookstore, browsed thru it,
    and put it back on the shelf. A very good slap in the face for someone who
    thought they were resonably knowledgable about Oracle. At that momemt I
    realized that I was just chopping away at the tip of the iceberg. I've also
    learned to really appreciate the tidbits that Steve throws out on this list
    and his website!

    I think I could make a better stab at it now, but I'm not done with Tuning
    101 yet. Too many users mucking up MY databases!;)

    Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
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    I haven't read the Tuning 101 but it sounds like it lets you know where you
    are waiting. The Internals book will give you in-depth knowledge of why by
    diving deeper into some of the algorithms used to implement those waits.
    Break out the aspirin 'cause it ain't leisure reading.
    HTH

    Tony Aponte
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    Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in
    understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more

    redundant from that aspect? Thanks.
    Dennis Williams
    DBA

    Lifetouch, Inc.
    dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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  • Greg Moore at Feb 8, 2002 at 9:58 pm

    Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?
    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig
    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new
    area like that.

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  • Mogens Nørgaard at Feb 18, 2002 at 11:18 pm
    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap,
    Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will
    be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late
    May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational.
    These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable
    Network (www.OakTable.net) which, for instance, will have a booth at
    Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like,
    sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on
    the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James,
    Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody
    could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some
    minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated
    in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?
    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig
    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new
    area like that.
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  • Sujatha Madan at Feb 18, 2002 at 11:54 pm
    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney??


    Cheers,


    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance, will have
    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where
    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig
    Shallahamer ( www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new
    area like that.

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  • Suhen Pather at Feb 19, 2002 at 12:48 am
    Sujatha,

    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia
    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the

    end of May.


    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle
    website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from
    the Miracle AS website.


    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names
    from the industry.

    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar)
    in Australia similar to the
    one on his website (JLCOMP).


    Regards
    $uhen

    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney??


    Cheers,


    Sujatha
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
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    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network
    (www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have

    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.


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  • Sujatha Madan at Feb 19, 2002 at 1:53 am
    Thanks for the information Suhen.


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    Sujatha,

    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia
    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the

    end of May.


    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle
    website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from
    the Miracle AS website.


    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names
    from the industry.

    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar)
    in Australia similar to the
    one on his website (JLCOMP).


    Regards
    $uhen

    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney??


    Cheers,


    Sujatha
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance, will have
    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer ( www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.


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  • Mogens Nørgaard at Feb 19, 2002 at 8:08 am
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,


    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??



    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.

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  • Robertson Lee - lerobe at Feb 19, 2002 at 8:33 am
    Enough already :-)...................................

    Lee (jealous in England!!!!!)

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    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a
    Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:

    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the
    end of May.

    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle
    website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from
    the Miracle AS website.

    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names
    from the industry.

    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar)
    in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).

    Regards

    $uhen

    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??

    Cheers,

    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    ]
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    <http://www.OakTable.net> www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have
    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer ( www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.

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  • Rachel Carmichael at Feb 19, 2002 at 12:38 pm
    Mogens,

    Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I
    seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from
    Brisbane.

    and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh......

    Rachel

    Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do
    a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from
    the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's
    have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??


    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an
    advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that
    are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new
    area like that.

    Do You Yahoo!?
    Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
    http://sports.yahoo.com

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  • James Morle at Feb 19, 2002 at 1:08 pm
    Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle
    company.... That's why it takes 10 times longer...;-)

    --
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    http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk
    Author of "Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System
    Architectures"
    -----Original Message-----
    From: root_at_fatcity.com On Behalf Of
    Rachel Carmichael
    Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?


    Mogens,

    Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight
    times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to
    return to NYC from Brisbane.

    and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh......


    Rachel

    --- Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and
    we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from
    the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's
    have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??


    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini
    presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't
    it be fun
    if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an
    advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that
    are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills
    into some
    new
    area like that.


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  • Tday6_at_csc.com at Feb 19, 2002 at 2:23 pm
    Obviously you don't know Boeing Travel. The way it works is:

    8 hours flying time to Hawaii.
    230 hours layover (with per diem).
    12 hours flying time to Sydney.
    And if you schedule your flight to Hawaii for wheels up before 6am, then
    you get a full per-diem for that day too.

    James Morle

    es.co.uk> cc:
    Sent by: root Subject: RE: Where does a DBA go from here?

    02/19/2002
    08:08 AM
    Please
    respond to
    ORACLE-L

    Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle
    company.... That's why it takes 10 times longer...;-)

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    Author of "Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System
    Architectures"
    -----Original Message-----
    From: root_at_fatcity.com On Behalf Of
    Rachel Carmichael
    Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?


    Mogens,

    Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight
    times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to
    return to NYC from Brisbane.

    and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh......


    Rachel

    --- Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and
    we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from
    the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's
    have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??


    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini
    presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't
    it be fun
    if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an
    advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that
    are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills
    into some
    new
    area like that.


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  • Rachel Carmichael at Feb 19, 2002 at 3:23 pm
    ah, I thought perhaps it was because every 500 miles he has to stop and
    have a beer or two, or threee....

    James Morle wrote:
    Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle
    company.... That's why it takes 10 times longer...;-)

    --
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    Scale Abilities, Ltd
    http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk
    Author of "Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System
    Architectures"
    -----Original Message-----
    From: root_at_fatcity.com On Behalf Of
    Rachel Carmichael
    Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?


    Mogens,

    Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight
    times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to
    return to NYC from Brisbane.

    and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well.
    sigh......

    Rachel

    --- Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and
    we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart
    from
    the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun.
    Let's
    have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will
    be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on
    the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots
    of
    big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training
    course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??


    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle
    and
    a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these
    guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have
    an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June
    where
    you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and
    drink
    beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini
    presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run
    two
    nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder.
    But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't
    it be fun
    if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of
    the
    RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up
    on
    the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes.
    Craig
    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an
    advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim
    Gorman
    may give
    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers
    that
    are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These
    four
    DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites
    with
    more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality
    books,
    papers
    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some
    UNIX
    or
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  • Suhen Pather at Feb 19, 2002 at 9:56 pm
    Maybe he is doing a round the world trip before getting to Sydney.

    $uhen

    Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle
    company.... That's why it takes 10 times longer...;-)

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: root_at_fatcity.com On Behalf Of
    Rachel Carmichael
    Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?


    Mogens,

    Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight
    times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to
    return to NYC from Brisbane.

    and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh......


    Rachel

    --- Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and
    we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from
    the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's
    have
    a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:
    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be
    towards the end of May.



    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the
    Miracle website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be
    obtained from the Miracle AS website.



    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big
    names from the industry.



    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course
    (seminar) in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).



    Regards

    $uhen







    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??


    Cheers,



    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mogens Nørgaard
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary
    Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a
    few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're
    doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys
    should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an
    informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance,
    will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you
    can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer
    (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini
    presentations by the
    guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster.
    That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes
    on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But
    James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't
    it be fun
    if
    anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC
    thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that
    the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:
    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the
    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com>) offers an
    advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.
    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give
    advanced classes.



    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that
    are freely
    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's
    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of
    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers
    and conferences.



    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or
    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills
    into some
    new
    area like that.


    __________________________________________________
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  • Sujatha Madan at Feb 19, 2002 at 11:04 pm
    I'm in for it!


    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 7:08 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a
    Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:

    Sujatha,



    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia

    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the
    end of May.

    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle
    website.

    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from
    the Miracle AS website.

    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names
    from the industry.

    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar)
    in Australia similar to the

    one on his website (JLCOMP).

    Regards

    $uhen

    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??

    Cheers,

    Sujatha

    -----Original Message-----
    ]

    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    <http://www.OakTable.net> www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have
    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer ( www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.

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  • Suhen Pather at Feb 19, 2002 at 11:30 pm
    Count me in for both parties.


    $uhen



    Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a
    Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the
    200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a
    Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?

    Mogens

    Suhen Pather wrote:

    Sujatha,

    Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia
    The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the
    end of May.
    Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle
    website.
    You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from
    the Miracle AS website.
    It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names
    from the industry.

    He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar)
    in Australia similar to the
    one on his website (JLCOMP).

    Regards
    $uhen

    Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ??
    Cheers,
    Sujatha
    -----Original Message-----
    ]
    Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo
    Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the
    main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A
    couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days
    we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (
    www.OakTable.net <http://www.OakTable.net> ) which, for instance, will have
    a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you
    like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ),
    listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.

    EoM (End of Marketing).

    PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's
    proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops,
    but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are
    working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
    it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate
    stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?

    Mogens

    Greg Moore wrote:

    Now where

    do I go for more Oracle training?

    Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the

    latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig

    Shallahamer (www.orapub.com <http://www.orapub.com> ) offers an advanced
    class, as does Cary Millsap.

    Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give

    advanced classes.

    The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely

    available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's

    offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of

    the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers

    and conferences.

    If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or

    Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new

    area like that.


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  • Babich , Sergey at Feb 26, 2002 at 7:18 pm
    Hi, ladies and gentlemen,

    Here is a good one. We have 25 offices nation wide, running similar reports.
    At the headquarters the one in consideration takes 12 min to complete. Any
    other office (WAN) it gets stuck and takes a few hours if it completes at
    all. Here is the output from V$SESSION_WAIT for the session:

    SID SEQ# EVENT P1TEXT P1 P1RAW
    P2TEXT P2 P2RAW P3TEXT P3 P3RAW WAIT_TIME

    SEC_WT STATE

    --------- ------------------------- ---------- --------- --------
    ---------- --------- -------- ---------- --------- -------- ---------
    ------ ---------

    82 31384 SQL*Net message from clie driver id 675562835 28444553
    #bytes 1 00000001 0 00 0

    0 WAITING

    After some time:



    SID SEQ# EVENT P1TEXT P1 P1RAW
    P2TEXT P2 P2RAW P3TEXT P3 P3RAW WAIT_TIME

    SEC_WT STATE

    --------- ------------------------- ---------- --------- --------
    ---------- --------- -------- ---------- --------- -------- ---------
    ------ --------

    82 33799 SQL*Net message from clie driver id 675562835 28444553
    #bytes 1 00000001 0 00 0

    0 WAITING



    and so on.(SEQ# increases and then resets).



    At the headquarters (LAN) it shows the same event after scattered read and
    it is done. Could that be a SQL*Net issue between LAN and WAN?

    Any ideas are appreciated as always.

    TIA,

    Sergey





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  • Babich , Sergey at Feb 26, 2002 at 8:51 pm
    Hi, everyone,

    This may seem very simple to you, but what's the best way to see if a fresh
    FBI (sorry!) is used during the execution? Are they reported in the same
    manner to the SQL trace as other ones?

    Regards,

    Sergey

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