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If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position in
Phoenix, AZ
with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
please.

Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or need
sponsorship.

Requirements:
- A degree in C.S. or equivalent

3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
Strong Unix
Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
are desirable
Must have good communication skills
-U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required

This position is with a company that offers :

Quality Work Environment
Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
Financial Stability
Some Relocation Assistance

NO sub contracting positions available.
PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

For immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
* Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

We pay referral fees.
So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
Thanks,
Bill Law
OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"

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  • Jonathan Gennick at Jul 5, 2001 at 8:47 pm
    Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:

    O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    Best regards,

    Jonathan Gennick
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  • John Lewis at Jul 5, 2001 at 9:03 pm
    Ditto. This 'renter' thing sounds like some sort of thinly veiled
    discrimination.

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    Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    Best regards,

    Jonathan Gennick
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  • Peter at Jul 5, 2001 at 9:06 pm
    On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:


    . . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    . . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    . . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    . . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    . . . .|
    . . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
    have invested in apartment buildings.

    But seriously that is kinda weird.

    . . . .|
    www.nul.cjb.net
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  • Jenkins, Michael at Jul 5, 2001 at 9:14 pm
    I was this close to working at seven-11, you know? *mandatory "Fast Times"
    quote*

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    Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    Best regards,

    Jonathan Gennick
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    http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org

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  • Peter at Jul 5, 2001 at 9:18 pm
    On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:


    . . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    . . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    . . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    . . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    . . . .|
    . . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
    have invested in apartment buildings.

    But seriously that is kinda weird.

    . . . .|
    www.nul.cjb.net
    www.FreeBSD.org

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  • Bowes, Chris at Jul 5, 2001 at 9:21 pm
    Jonathan,

    I think if we retranslate it, we can ascertain what Bill was talking about.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested in Phoenix...
    We aren't telling you that this company doesn't really want you long term.  They have some simple problems, most of which they will have you solve as a 'test' in the interview.  They have a 6 month wait on their benefits so when 5.9 months go by, they'll fire your butt and get a new DBA.  If you're renting, all we may be liable for is maybe a months rent.  Don't plan on that house just yet.  We can't afford that.
    but has not applied to Phoenix companies
    When you see the hard labor camp you'll be working in, you'll probably take the first offer from another company that you get.  So rather than waste money interviewing someone that will not take the job, we'll just count on your ignorance.
    is not working with other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    The last 23 candidates had their resumes all over the place and because of that, we haven't been able to collect a finders fee, since all the client had to do was say, "we already have this resume.".  If we are the only ones that you work with, you are a gauranteed payday for us.  Besides, if you actually went to another recruiter, they may not charge as much and hence may be able to get you more money...

    --Chris
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    "Wags the Dog, he likes to tango.  Wags the Dog, he calls it rango..."

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jonathan Gennick
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:41 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: Re: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..

    Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:

    O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    Best regards,

    Jonathan Gennick
    mailto:jonathan_at_gennick.com * 906.387.1698
    http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org

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  • Farnsworth, Dave at Jul 6, 2001 at 12:52 pm

    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or need
    sponsorship.

    Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required

    This position is with a company that offers :

    Quality Work Environment
    Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    Financial Stability
    Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"

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  • Akuerten_at_imation.com at Jul 6, 2001 at 1:10 pm
    Is the NSA maybe located there??

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  • April Wells at Jul 6, 2001 at 1:21 pm
    Maybe it's Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station.

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  • Koivu, Lisa at Jul 6, 2001 at 2:11 pm
    Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000?  To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

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    Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or need
    sponsorship.

    Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required

    This position is with a  company that offers :

    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance


    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For  immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
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  • Jim Conboy at Jul 6, 2001 at 2:28 pm
    Preferably with no close friends or relatives, nobody to notice if you
    just...disappear.

    Jim>>> DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com 07/06/01 09:10AM
    orastaff wrote:>We would like to submit someone
    who is a renter and who is interested>in Phoenix but has not applied to
    Phoenix companies and is not working>with>other recruiters for
    Phoenix companies. Is this some super secret job or
    what???????????-----Original Message-----Sent: Thursday, July 05,
    2001 3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LIf you're
    interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position inPhoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T.
    staff.We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interestedin Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
    working withother recruiters for Phoenix companies. This is a full
    time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    partiesplease.Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in
    the U.S. and/or need sponsorship.* Requirements:- A degree in
    C.S. or equivalent- 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed- Strong
    Unix- Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl
    languages   are desirable- Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency requiredThis position
    is with a  company that offers
    :
    * Quality Work
    Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent
    benefits
    * Financial
    Stability
    * Some Relocation
    Assistance
    NO sub contracting positions available.PLEASE do not send your resume if
    you are not in the United States.For  immediate consideration,
    please send your resume to:Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.comPhone:
    1-800-549-8502. * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/CarlosWe pay
    referral fees.So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interestedin the posiition described above- if it is not a
    match for your skills.Thanks,Bill LawOraStaff, Inc-"The Proven
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  • Cherie_Machler_at_gelco.com at Jul 6, 2001 at 2:31 pm
    Peter,

    It probably means that they're willing to relocate someone
    but don't want to pay a ton of money to relocate someone
    who owns a house. There can be more than $10,000 worth
    of closing costs, moving costs, guarantee to buy your house
    if it doesn't sell, etc.

    Renters are simpler and cheaper to relocate.

    Chere

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    On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:

    . . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    . . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    . . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
    working with
    . . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    . . . .|
    . . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

    They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
    have invested in apartment buildings.

    But seriously that is kinda weird.

    . . . .|
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  • Mercadante, Thomas F at Jul 6, 2001 at 3:21 pm
    Lisa,
    imitating a bird...

    "Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    "


    next
    will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"

    Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional

    -----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:57
    AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: *
    Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap
    !!!! $75,000?  To move
    across the country with MINIMAL relo?  Are they kidding??
    I hope this isn't our parent
    company....
    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter
    ninja


    -----Original Message----- From:   Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com]
    Sent:
    size=1>Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a
    renter and who is interested >in
    Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with >other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or
    what???????????
    -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then
    consider this position in Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an
    Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff. We
    would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix
    companies and is not working with other
    recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    This is a full time staff position so no
    sub-contractors or third parties please.
    Please do not call or send a resume if you are
    not in the U.S. and/or need sponsorship.

    Requirements: - A degree in C.S. or equivalent -
    3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed -
    Strong Unix - Application development
    experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages   are desirable - Must have
    good communication skills  -U.S.
    citizenship or permanent residency required
    This position is with a  company that offers
    :
    Quality Work Environment
    Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    Financial Stability
    Some Relocation Assistance
    NO sub contracting positions
    available. PLEASE do not send your resume
    if you are not in the United States.
    For  immediate consideration, please send
    your resume to:
    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com Phone: 1-800-549-8502. * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos
    We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested in the
    posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks, Bill
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  • Akuerten_at_imation.com at Jul 6, 2001 at 3:34 pm
    May they bought you already, keep the HP example in mind...

    "Koivu, Lisa" @fatcity.com on 06.07.2001
    15:56:40

    Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

    Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com

    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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    Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000?  To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

    -----Original Message-----

    From:   Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com]
    Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position
    in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or
    need
    sponsorship.

    Requirements:

    A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    Strong Unix
    Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl
    languages
    are desirable
    Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required

    This position is with a  company that offers :

    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For  immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.

    Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested
    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"

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  • Kjanusz_at_att.net at Jul 6, 2001 at 3:48 pm
    With our current economic conditions it's a buyer's
    market.
    Peter,

    It probably means that they're willing to relocate someone
    but don't want to pay a ton of money to relocate someone
    who owns a house. There can be more than $10,000 worth
    of closing costs, moving costs, guarantee to buy your house
    if it doesn't sell, etc.

    Renters are simpler and cheaper to relocate.

    Chere




    Peter


    ORACLE-L
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    07/05/01

    05:17 PM

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    On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:


    . . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
    . . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    . . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
    working with
    . . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    . . . .|
    . . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?
    They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
    have invested in apartment buildings.

    But seriously that is kinda weird.

    . . . .|
    www.nul.cjb.net
    www.FreeBSD.org



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  • Thater, William at Jul 6, 2001 at 3:48 pm

    "Mercadante, Thomas F" wrote:

    Lisa, imitating a bird...

    "Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "


    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"
    "i DID, i did see a puddy-tat!";-)

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  • Ef 8454 at Jul 6, 2001 at 5:30 pm
    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
    certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
    From: "Mercadante, Thomas F"
    Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:35:30 -0800

    Lisa, imitating a bird...

    "Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "


    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"



    Tom Mercadante
    Oracle Certified Professional

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:57 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



    Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000? To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this
    position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S.
    and/or need
    sponsorship.

    * Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required


    This position is with a company that offers :
    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested

    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"



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  • Boivin, Patrice J at Jul 6, 2001 at 6:31 pm
    Sounds like the kind of thing I would do.

    Then, months later, you realize that you are the lowest paid person in the
    department or on the site...

    Sigh

    Patrice Boivin
    Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: ef 8454 [SMTP:ef8454_at_hotmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:42 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..

    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a
    ORACLE
    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
    certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
    From: "Mercadante, Thomas F"
    Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:35:30 -0800 >
    Lisa, imitating a bird... >
    "Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "
    >
    >
    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"
    >
    >
    >
    Tom Mercadante
    Oracle Certified Professional >
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:57 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    >
    >
    >
    Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000? To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding?? >
    I hope this isn't our parent company.... >
    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja >
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    >
    orastaff wrote:
    >
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
    working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    >
    Is this some super secret job or what??????????? >
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    >
    >
    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this
    position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
    working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies. >
    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please. >
    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S.
    and/or need
    sponsorship. >
    * Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required
    >
    >
    This position is with a company that offers :
    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance >
    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States. >
    For immediate consideration, please send your resume to: >
    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos >
    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested >
    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"
    >
    >
    >
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  • Gene Sais at Jul 6, 2001 at 6:32 pm
    Your company is either cheap or your new dba has no clue. DC is one of the highest
    paying locales in the USA. Now if you said 75k was not bad in Florida, I would agree
    (companies in florida are cheap), unless you were a contractor of course.
    ef8454_at_hotmail.com 07/06/01 02:41PM >>>
    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
    certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
    From: "Mercadante, Thomas F"
    Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:35:30 -0800

    Lisa, imitating a bird...

    "Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "


    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"



    Tom Mercadante
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    Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000? To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this
    position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S.
    and/or need
    sponsorship.

    * Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required


    This position is with a company that offers :
    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested

    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"



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  • Jared.Still_at_radisys.com at Jul 6, 2001 at 6:38 pm
    $60K and OCP.

    Hmm....

    Can you say 'no experience'?

    Jared

    "ef 8454"

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    Please respond

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    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE

    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
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  • Koivu, Lisa at Jul 6, 2001 at 6:58 pm
    Here we go again!  OCP means You Read The Book and Passed 5 Tests, Congratulations, Thank You for Your Money!
    Experience is what counts.

    $75,000 is middle ground.  Again, I say!  Middle ground salary with menial relocation package?   CHEEEEEEAP!

    -----Original Message-----

    From:   ef 8454 [SMTP:ef8454_at_hotmail.com]
    Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 2:42 PM
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    Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..

    $75,000 is pretty good.  Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
    DBA.  He claimed he have OCP
    certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
    From: "Mercadante, Thomas F"
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    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:35:30 -0800

    Lisa, imitating a bird...

    "Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "


    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"



    Tom Mercadante
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    Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000?  To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this
    position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S.
    and/or need
    sponsorship.

    * Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required


    This position is with a  company that offers :
    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For  immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested

    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
    OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection To Oracle Opportunity"



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  • Ef 8454 at Jul 6, 2001 at 7:46 pm
    My company may be cheap, but it have more than 6000 employs.   The
    DBA salary is NOT like what you though that high in D.C.  I list all of our DBA salary for you to reference:

    DB2 DBA (Mainframe)  -- 72K
    Informix DBA (UNIX)   -- 72K
    SQL Server     (NT)      --  52K
    ORACLE DBA (UNIX)  -- 74K  (7 years exp.)
    ORACLE DBA (UNIX)  -- 60K  (OCP certify)
    They all less than $75K and live in D.C. high living cost area.
    From: "Gene Sais"
    Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:42:02 -0800

    Your company is either cheap or your new dba has no clue. DC is one of the highest paying locales in the USA. Now if you said 75k was not bad in Florida, I would agree (companies in florida are cheap), unless you were a contractor of course.
    ef8454@hotmail.com 07/06/01 02:41PM >>>
    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
    certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.

    From: "Mercadante, Thomas F"
    Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    Subject: RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
    Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:35:30 -0800

    Lisa, imitating a bird...

    "Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!! "


    next will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"



    Tom Mercadante
    Oracle Certified Professional

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:57 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



    Cheap! Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
    $75,000? To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
    Are they kidding??

    I hope this isn't our parent company....

    Happy Friday everyone!
    Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
    orastaff wrote:
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
    interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
    with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
    Is this some super secret job or what???????????

    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


    If you're interested in a great opportunity, then consider this
    position in
    Phoenix, AZ
    with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff.
    We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
    in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
    other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

    This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
    parties
    please.

    Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S.
    and/or need
    sponsorship.

    * Requirements:
    - A degree in C.S. or equivalent
    - 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed
    - Strong Unix
    - Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages
    are desirable
    - Must have good communication skills
    -U.S. citizenship or permanent residency required


    This position is with a company that offers :
    * Quality Work Environment
    * Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
    * Financial Stability
    * Some Relocation Assistance

    NO sub contracting positions available.
    PLEASE do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

    For immediate consideration, please send your resume to:

    Email: orastaff@mindspring.com
    Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
    * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos

    We pay referral fees.
    So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
    qualified/interested

    in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
    Thanks,
    Bill Law
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  • Yosi Greenfield at Jul 6, 2001 at 8:09 pm
    My turn. As someone with a current salary of $0.00, if I
    were to take a job with a 75k base, it would take _years_
    to work my way back up to my most recent salary.

    (We're talking NY, so cost of living and salaries are higher
    than in many other places.)

    Although, as you write, Dick, I'm looking to the future with
    my seat firmly in the present. In the future I see a clear
    possibility of hungry children who need diapers, ambling
    about in tattered clothing. (Violins, anyone?) At which time,
    75k may seem like alot.

    (Ok - it's really not that bad - only one of the kids needs
    diapers, the clothing shouldn't tatter for at least two or three
    months, and the kids are ALWAYS hungry anyway.)

    The question is a good one, 75k now or wait a few months,
    lose thousands and thousands of dollars, but get a salary
    commensurate with where I've been.

    A six month consulting gig would work awfully well now.

    Yosi

    dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:
    OH, I've stayed out of this one, but I think a word or two should be acceptable.

    $75K with minimal relocation may be cheap upfront, but if your current salary is
    $0.00 then this is better, even if the relocation $$$ are not what one would
    expect. Besides, I started here at $36K some 9 years ago & pretty darn soon
    their going to crack the $100K barrier. So look to the future, even if one must
    live in the present (when one is at the bottom of the barrel, all roads point
    up).

    Besides I understand Arizona is a low cost of living state.

    Dick Goulet

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    Author: "Koivu; Lisa"
    Date: 7/6/2001 12:09 PM

    Here we go again! OCP means You Read The Book and Passed 5 Tests,
    Congratulations, Thank You for Your Money!
    Experience is what counts.

    $75,000 is middle ground. Again, I say! Middle ground salary with menial
    relocation package? CHEEEEEEAP!
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    $75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a
    ORACLE
    DBA. He claimed he have OCP
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  • Stephane Faroult at Jul 7, 2001 at 12:14 am

    Gregory Conron wrote:
    On July 6, 2001 05:38 pm, dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:

    OH, I've stayed out of this one, but I think a word or two should
    be acceptable.

    $75K with minimal relocation may be cheap upfront, but if your
    current salary is $0.00 then this is better, even if the relocation
    $$$ are not what one would expect. Besides, I started here at $36K
    some 9 years ago & pretty darn soon their going to crack the $100K
    barrier. So look to the future, even if one must live in the
    present (when one is at the bottom of the barrel, all roads point
    up).
    Or come to Nova Scotia - DBA w/ ~5 years experience can expect
    around 65K. Supposedly due to lower cost of living, however, I
    believe it simply has more to do with less demand (there are few
    employers here large enough to warrant a full-time experienced dba -
    most shops are small development shops that have one disk to hold
    Oracle and it's usually running NT). Oh well, got saltwater in my
    veins, so I'll stick around here for a while :)

    Cheers,
    GC
    Just as a matter of information, there are many people on this list from
    South or South East Asia, as well as Eastern and Central Europe, and
    possibly from Southern America and Africa as well, who, I am certain,
    are going to shed a tear over the miserable salaries of some American
    and Canadian DBAs, who are not technically better than they are even if
    they can afford the luxury of not pirating papers and books. And
    concerning the cost of living, well, I am not sure. Have a look at this
    week's issue of 'The Economist', p 108, a table gives New York at 100,
    Tokyo at 140, Hong Kong around 118, Libreville (any DBA from Libreville
    here?) around 105, Oslo (104), London and Zurich above New York, and
    Singapore, Beijing, Paris, and Seoul in this order close behind. If you
    consider than even in opulent Singapore DBA salaries are not, even in
    the local currency (1.82 to the USD), at the levels that you mention
    (which doesn't prevent them from losing development jobs to India, where
    costs - understand salaries - are three times lower), that in Hungary,
    which gave John von Neumann to computing, the average salary (don't know
    about DBAs) is around $200 a month (granted, cost of living in Budapest
    is half what it is in New-York), I hardly dare mention countries like
    VietNam, where a GP makes $100 per month, about twice the average.

    I find it legitimate to exchange some info on salaries, and even some
    whining. But I find a bit of indecency in seeing such a somewhat
    off-topic thread roll on for too long. Sorry, folks, I thought I had to
    fume for people who would possibly not dare to do it.

    My 2 rupiahs,

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  • Gregory Conron at Jul 8, 2001 at 1:53 pm

    On July 6, 2001 10:15 pm, Stephane Faroult wrote:
    Gregory Conron wrote:
    On July 6, 2001 05:38 pm, dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:
    Just as a matter of information, there are many people on this list
    from South or South East Asia, as well as Eastern and Central
    Europe, and possibly from Southern America and Africa as well, who,
    I am certain, are going to shed a tear over the miserable salaries
    of some American and Canadian DBAs,
    Way to ruin a good bitchfest, Stephane.

    :)

    Cheers,
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