[Oracle-l] * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..

Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:

O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.

Now why in the world would any of this matter?

Best regards,

Jonathan Gennick
mailto:jonathan_at_gennick.com * 906.387.1698
http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org

Ditto. This 'renter' thing sounds like some sort of thinly veiled
discrimination.

On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:


. . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
. . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
. . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
. . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
. . . .|
. . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
have invested in apartment buildings.

But seriously that is kinda weird.

. . . .|
www.nul.cjb.net
www.FreeBSD.org

I was this close to working at seven-11, you know? *mandatory "Fast Times"
quote*

On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:


. . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
. . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
. . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working with
. . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
. . . .|
. . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
have invested in apartment buildings.

But seriously that is kinda weird.

. . . .|
www.nul.cjb.net
www.FreeBSD.org

Jonathan,

I think if we retranslate it, we can ascertain what Bill was talking about.
We aren't telling you that this company doesn't really want you long term.  They have some simple problems, most of which they will have you solve as a 'test' in the interview.  They have a 6 month wait on their benefits so when 5.9 months go by, they'll fire your butt and get a new DBA.  If you're renting, all we may be liable for is maybe a months rent.  Don't plan on that house just yet.  We can't afford that.
When you see the hard labor camp you'll be working in, you'll probably take the first offer from another company that you get.  So rather than waste money interviewing someone that will not take the job, we'll just count on your ignorance.
The last 23 candidates had their resumes all over the place and because of that, we haven't been able to collect a finders fee, since all the client had to do was say, "we already have this resume.".  If we are the only ones that you work with, you are a gauranteed payday for us.  Besides, if you actually went to another recruiter, they may not charge as much and hence may be able to get you more money...

--Chris
Chris.Bowes_at_Kosa.com

"Wags the Dog, he likes to tango.  Wags the Dog, he calls it rango..."

Is this some super secret job or what???????????

Is the NSA maybe located there??

Maybe it's Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station.

Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
$75,000?  To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
Are they kidding??

I hope this isn't our parent company....

Happy Friday everyone!
Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

-----Original Message-----

From:   Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com]
Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
Is this some super secret job or what???????????

Preferably with no close friends or relatives, nobody to notice if you
just...disappear.

Jim>>> DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com 07/06/01 09:10AM
who is a renter and who is interested>in Phoenix but has not applied to
Phoenix companies and is not working>with>other recruiters for
Phoenix companies. Is this some super secret job or
what???????????-----Original Message-----Sent: Thursday, July 05,
2001 3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LIf you're
interested in a great opportunity, then consider this position inPhoenix, AZ
with a leading company that needs an Oracle DBA to join its' I.T.
staff.We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
interestedin Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
working withother recruiters for Phoenix companies. This is a full
time staff position so no sub-contractors or third
partiesplease.Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in
the U.S. and/or need sponsorship.* Requirements:- A degree in
C.S. or equivalent- 3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed- Strong
Unix- Application development experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl
languages   are desirable- Must have good communication skills
-U.S. citizenship or permanent residency requiredThis position
is with a  company that offers
:
* Quality Work
Environment
* Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent
benefits
* Financial
Stability
* Some Relocation
Assistance
NO sub contracting positions available.PLEASE do not send your resume if
you are not in the United States.For  immediate consideration,
please send your resume to:Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.comPhone:
1-800-549-8502. * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/CarlosWe pay
referral fees.So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
qualified/interestedin the posiition described above- if it is not a
match for your skills.Thanks,Bill LawOraStaff, Inc-"The Proven
Connection To Oracle Opportunity"-- Please see the official
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Peter,

It probably means that they're willing to relocate someone
but don't want to pay a ton of money to relocate someone
who owns a house. There can be more than $10,000 worth
of closing costs, moving costs, guarantee to buy your house
if it doesn't sell, etc.

Renters are simpler and cheaper to relocate.

Chere

Peter

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On 07/05/2001 3:41:08 PM, Jonathan Gennick is quoted as saying:

. . . .|Thursday, July 05, 2001, 4:15:20 PM, you wrote:
. . . .|O> We would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is
interested
. . . .|O> in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not
working with
. . . .|O> other recruiters for Phoenix companies.
. . . .|
. . . .|Now why in the world would any of this matter?

They are trying to get more people into Phoenix, and they
have invested in apartment buildings.

But seriously that is kinda weird.

. . . .|
www.nul.cjb.net
www.FreeBSD.org

Lisa,
imitating a bird...

"Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
"


next
will be "I taught I taw a puddy-tat"

Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional

-----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:57
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: *
Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap
!!!! $75,000?  To move
across the country with MINIMAL relo?  Are they kidding??
I hope this isn't our parent
company....
Happy Friday everyone!
Lisa, the anti-recruiter
ninja


-----Original Message----- From:   Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com]
Sent:
size=1>Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
renter and who is interested >in
Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix companies and is not working
Is this some super secret job or
what???????????
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
If you're interested in a great opportunity, then
consider this position in Phoenix, AZ
with a leading company that needs an
Oracle DBA to join its' I.T. staff. We
would like to submit someone who is a renter and who is interested
in Phoenix but has not applied to Phoenix
companies and is not working with other
recruiters for Phoenix companies.
This is a full time staff position so no
sub-contractors or third parties please.
Please do not call or send a resume if you are
not in the U.S. and/or need sponsorship.

Requirements: - A degree in C.S. or equivalent -
3+ yrs Oracle DBA experience is needed -
Strong Unix - Application development
experience; Unix scripting; C or Perl languages   are desirable - Must have
good communication skills  -U.S.
citizenship or permanent residency required
This position is with a  company that offers
:
Quality Work Environment
Base salary up to 75K-firm +excellent benefits
Financial Stability
Some Relocation Assistance
NO sub contracting positions
available. PLEASE do not send your resume
if you are not in the United States.
For  immediate consideration, please send
your resume to:
Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com Phone: 1-800-549-8502. * Please use job code: One/Phoenix/DBA/Carlos
We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
qualified/interested in the
posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
Thanks, Bill
Law OraStaff, Inc-"The Proven Connection
To Oracle Opportunity"

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May they bought you already, keep the HP example in mind...

"Koivu, Lisa" @fatcity.com on 06.07.2001
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Cheap!  Cheap Cheap Cheap !!!!
$75,000?  To move across the country with MINIMAL relo?
Are they kidding??

I hope this isn't our parent company....

Happy Friday everyone!
Lisa, the anti-recruiter ninja

-----Original Message-----

From:   Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com]
Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 9:11 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..
Is this some super secret job or what???????????

With our current economic conditions it's a buyer's
market.

"i DID, i did see a puddy-tat!";-)

$75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
DBA. He claimed he have OCP
certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
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Sounds like the kind of thing I would do.

Then, months later, you realize that you are the lowest paid person in the
department or on the site...

Sigh

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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$75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a
ORACLE
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Your company is either cheap or your new dba has no clue. DC is one of the highest
paying locales in the USA. Now if you said 75k was not bad in Florida, I would agree
(companies in florida are cheap), unless you were a contractor of course.
$75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
DBA. He claimed he have OCP
certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

$60K and OCP.

Hmm....

Can you say 'no experience'?

Jared

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$75,000 is pretty good. Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE

DBA. He claimed he have OCP
certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.

Here we go again!  OCP means You Read The Book and Passed 5 Tests, Congratulations, Thank You for Your Money!
Experience is what counts.

$75,000 is middle ground.  Again, I say!  Middle ground salary with menial relocation package?   CHEEEEEEAP!

-----Original Message-----

From:   ef 8454 [SMTP:ef8454_at_hotmail.com]
Sent:   Friday, July 06, 2001 2:42 PM
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Subject:        RE: * Oracle DBA Needed in Phoenix..

$75,000 is pretty good.  Our company (in Washington, DC) just hire a ORACLE
DBA.  He claimed he have OCP
certificate and ONLY asked $60,000.
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

My company may be cheap, but it have more than 6000 employs.   The
DBA salary is NOT like what you though that high in D.C.  I list all of our DBA salary for you to reference:

DB2 DBA (Mainframe)  -- 72K
Informix DBA (UNIX)   -- 72K
SQL Server     (NT)      --  52K
ORACLE DBA (UNIX)  -- 74K  (7 years exp.)
ORACLE DBA (UNIX)  -- 60K  (OCP certify)
They all less than $75K and live in D.C. high living cost area.
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My turn. As someone with a current salary of $0.00, if I
were to take a job with a 75k base, it would take _years_
to work my way back up to my most recent salary.

(We're talking NY, so cost of living and salaries are higher
than in many other places.)

Although, as you write, Dick, I'm looking to the future with
my seat firmly in the present. In the future I see a clear
possibility of hungry children who need diapers, ambling
about in tattered clothing. (Violins, anyone?) At which time,
75k may seem like alot.

(Ok - it's really not that bad - only one of the kids needs
diapers, the clothing shouldn't tatter for at least two or three
months, and the kids are ALWAYS hungry anyway.)

The question is a good one, 75k now or wait a few months,
lose thousands and thousands of dollars, but get a salary
commensurate with where I've been.

A six month consulting gig would work awfully well now.

Yosi

dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:

Just as a matter of information, there are many people on this list from
South or South East Asia, as well as Eastern and Central Europe, and
possibly from Southern America and Africa as well, who, I am certain,
are going to shed a tear over the miserable salaries of some American
and Canadian DBAs, who are not technically better than they are even if
they can afford the luxury of not pirating papers and books. And
concerning the cost of living, well, I am not sure. Have a look at this
week's issue of 'The Economist', p 108, a table gives New York at 100,
Tokyo at 140, Hong Kong around 118, Libreville (any DBA from Libreville
here?) around 105, Oslo (104), London and Zurich above New York, and
Singapore, Beijing, Paris, and Seoul in this order close behind. If you
consider than even in opulent Singapore DBA salaries are not, even in
the local currency (1.82 to the USD), at the levels that you mention
(which doesn't prevent them from losing development jobs to India, where
costs - understand salaries - are three times lower), that in Hungary,
which gave John von Neumann to computing, the average salary (don't know
about DBAs) is around $200 a month (granted, cost of living in Budapest
is half what it is in New-York), I hardly dare mention countries like
VietNam, where a GP makes $100 per month, about twice the average.

I find it legitimate to exchange some info on salaries, and even some
whining. But I find a bit of indecency in seeing such a somewhat
off-topic thread roll on for too long. Sorry, folks, I thought I had to
fume for people who would possibly not dare to do it.

My 2 rupiahs,

Stephane Faroult
Oriole Corporation
Voice: +44 (0) 7050-696-269
Fax: +44 (0) 7050-696-449
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http://www.oriole.com, designed by Oracle DBAs for Oracle DBAs

Way to ruin a good bitchfest, Stephane.

:)

Cheers,
GC