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I have been asked to put a club's membership form on their web, but firefox
displays it as scaled to 23% and it prints at that scale. Can anyone tell me
why? Thanks

Anne

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  • Phil Schaffner at Jun 20, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 13:41 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
    I have been asked to put a club's membership form on their web, but firefox
    displays it as scaled to 23% and it prints at that scale. Can anyone tell me
    why? Thanks
    Anne,

    Don't know, but it might help to know what format you are using for the
    document - HTML, PDF, JPEG, PNG, ...

    Phil
  • Anne Wilson at Jun 20, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    On Friday 20 June 2008 13:58:25 Phil Schaffner wrote:
    On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 13:41 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
    I have been asked to put a club's membership form on their web, but
    firefox displays it as scaled to 23% and it prints at that scale. Can
    anyone tell me why? Thanks
    Anne,

    Don't know, but it might help to know what format you are using for the
    document - HTML, PDF, JPEG, PNG, ...
    I've fixed it by uploading a pdf instead of the original jpg, but I'd dearly
    like to know why firefox thought it should be scaled like that.

    Anne
  • Bart Schaefer at Jun 20, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
    I've fixed it by uploading a pdf instead of the original jpg, but I'd dearly
    like to know why firefox thought it should be scaled like that.
    Apparently the justification for this is that it makes Firefox work
    better on PDAs and other small-screen devices. Firefox3 introduced
    "automatic image scaling" which IE has had for some years. Here's a
    post where someone describes his frustration with image scaling in IE7
    (at least as far as I know Firefox doesn't get confused by DPI
    settings):

    http://weblogs.java.net/blog/chet/archive/2006/10/get_the_artifac.html

    What annoys me about this in FF3 is that the feature is on by default
    and the standard preferences dialog doesn't offer a way to disable it.
    Instead you have to go into about:config as described here:

    http://www.tipstrs.com/tip/683/Scaling-image-in-Firefox

    Of course this doesn't help page designers who can't tell whether
    their visitor's browser has scaling enabled or not.
  • Bart Schaefer at Jun 20, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
    Apparently the justification for this is that it makes Firefox work
    better on PDAs and other small-screen devices. Firefox3 introduced
    "automatic image scaling"
    Before someone else corrects me: Yes, I just realized this has
    actually been around for a while before FF3. In fact it was more like
    FF1.4. I believe the algorithm changed some in FF3.

    The point about the configuration setting being buried is still valid, I think.
  • Akemi Yagi at Jun 20, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Bart Schaefer
    wrote:
    Apparently the justification for this is that it makes Firefox work
    better on PDAs and other small-screen devices. Firefox3 introduced
    "automatic image scaling"
    Before someone else corrects me: Yes, I just realized this has
    actually been around for a while before FF3. In fact it was more like
    FF1.4. I believe the algorithm changed some in FF3.

    The point about the configuration setting being buried is still valid, I think.
    Wouldn't this do the trick?

    View -> Zoom -> check Zoom Text Only

    Akemi
  • Anne Wilson at Jun 20, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    On Friday 20 June 2008 16:31:36 Akemi Yagi wrote:
    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Bart Schaefer

    wrote:
    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Bart Schaefer

    wrote:
    Apparently the justification for this is that it makes Firefox work
    better on PDAs and other small-screen devices. Firefox3 introduced
    "automatic image scaling"
    Before someone else corrects me: Yes, I just realized this has
    actually been around for a while before FF3. In fact it was more like
    FF1.4. I believe the algorithm changed some in FF3.

    The point about the configuration setting being buried is still valid, I
    think.
    Wouldn't this do the trick?

    View -> Zoom -> check Zoom Text Only
    The whole point, Akemi, is that the user shouldn't have to do anything to see
    what I specified. He should only have to make changes if he wants to see it
    differently.

    Anne
  • Anne Wilson at Jun 20, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    On Friday 20 June 2008 16:04:27 Bart Schaefer wrote:
    On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
    I've fixed it by uploading a pdf instead of the original jpg, but I'd
    dearly like to know why firefox thought it should be scaled like that.
    Apparently the justification for this is that it makes Firefox work
    better on PDAs and other small-screen devices. Firefox3 introduced
    "automatic image scaling" which IE has had for some years. Here's a
    post where someone describes his frustration with image scaling in IE7
    (at least as far as I know Firefox doesn't get confused by DPI
    settings):

    http://weblogs.java.net/blog/chet/archive/2006/10/get_the_artifac.html

    What annoys me about this in FF3 is that the feature is on by default
    and the standard preferences dialog doesn't offer a way to disable it.
    Instead you have to go into about:config as described here:

    http://www.tipstrs.com/tip/683/Scaling-image-in-Firefox

    Of course this doesn't help page designers who can't tell whether
    their visitor's browser has scaling enabled or not.
    In fact it makes for a real mess. Hopefully these days everyone has some sort
    of pdf reader, so that's going to have to be the solution, but it's far from
    idea. No application should be making decisions for me unless I ask it to.
    If I want to use such a settings, say for the EeePC, then I, as the user,
    should enable it. This is absolutely crazy.

    Thanks for pointing me to that blog. It certainly explains what's happening.

    Anne
  • Matt Harwood at Jun 20, 2008 at 12:59 pm
    Hi Anne

    Hope you don't mind me butting in on this (as a newbie round here!).

    If you would like to provide a URL for the page I'd be more than willing
    to take a look at it for you.

    Thanks!

    *Matt Harwood*
    Designer, NannyGroup Limited
    Mob: 07887 817769



    Anne Wilson wrote:
    I have been asked to put a club's membership form on their web, but firefox
    displays it as scaled to 23% and it prints at that scale. Can anyone tell me
    why? Thanks

    Anne
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  • Anne Wilson at Jun 20, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    On Friday 20 June 2008 13:59:27 Matt Harwood wrote:
    Hi Anne

    Hope you don't mind me butting in on this (as a newbie round here!).

    If you would like to provide a URL for the page I'd be more than willing
    to take a look at it for you.
    Thanks for the offer, Matt, but I don't know whether the change I've made will
    obscure what was happening. It shouldn't, I've just replaced a jpg with a
    pdf and changed the link url. Still, if you can see anything that gives a
    clue I'd be really pleased. The launching page is
    http://eastpenninekoi-club.co.uk/membership.html

    Anne

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