You are right. However, if one is using Basic http binding and a
contract first approach, then interoperability headaches should be
minimal. I have AXIS2 and WCF talking SOAP this way.
I guess what I would explore is to use RabbitMQP java client and use the
AXIS2 Transport framework(as they advertised it for SOAP over JMS) and
build a custom transport for AXIS2 SOAP over AMQP. In theory, I believe
this should work and it would be similar to what RabbitMQ ServiceModel
did for WCF.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pollack [mailto:mpollack at]
Sent: November 18, 2010 12:58 PM
To: Hussein Said; Mark Fisher; Emile Joubert
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at
Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ


It probably wouldn't be easier to adopt a AMQP transport for SOAP if
both ends weren't Spring Web Service based (or using the same web
services framework). From what I've seen SOAP over JMS isn't a widely
supported option across SOAP stacks/products and even then, despite some
specs being written on how it should work, I had interoperability issues
a few years ago between Spring Web Services on JMS and .NET WCF TIBCO
support. SOAP over JMS isn't covered by the WS-I profiles AFAIK.


-----Original Message-----
From: Hussein Said [mailto:hsaid at]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:46 PM
To: Mark Fisher; Mark Pollack; Emile Joubert
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at
Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Thanks for your replies. Any idea when those adaptors will be out? It
definitely looks promising for our needs.
Note that a native AMQP Transport within the SOAP stack is likely
to adopt within existing SOAP sweatshops, as it would be easier to
integrate without having to rewire the web services through the
Spring-WS framework(based on my limited knowledge of the Spring
framework of course)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fisher [mailto:markfisher at]
Sent: November 18, 2010 12:25 PM
To: Mark Pollack; Emile Joubert; Hussein Said
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at
Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Also, the Spring Integration project provides Web Service adapters
(built on top of Spring-WS), and we have AMQP adapters in progress
(built on top of Spring-AMQP). So, that at least provides a "bridge"
between the two (e.g. inbound-amqp -> outbound-ws or vice versa). While
that is different than a native AMQP transport within a SOAP stack,
depending on the application, that level of decoupling might provide
some advantages, such as routing/transformation/filtering support and
more control over the Messaging Mappers.

From: rabbitmq-discuss-bounces at
[rabbitmq-discuss-bounces at] On Behalf Of Mark Pollack
[mpollack at]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:16 PM
To: Emile Joubert; Hussein Said
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at
Subject: Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ


No immediate plans. This would though perhaps better sit as an
extension/addition to the Spring Web Services project which already
supports SOAP over JMS.


-----Original Message-----
From: Emile Joubert [mailto:emile at]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Hussein Said
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at; Mark Pollack
Subject: Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Hi Hussein,

Thanks for your question. The RabbitMQ team do not have any
plans to add a Java SOAP stack, but that could change if there is
sufficient demand.

I'm copying in Mark Pollack who may know whether anything related is
planned for Spring-AMQP.



On 16/11/10 21:26, Hussein Said wrote:
WCF RabbitMQ bindings works great and I am consuming Web services using
the RabbitMQ binding with little change to our codebase.
I guess my question is if there are any plans(now or future) to
custom AXIS2 or JAX-WS Transport for RabbitMQ since they are
SOAP stacks. This will greatly benifit the SOAP community so that
adoption of AMQP is less of a barrier if a native AMQP transport client
is available. Spring has one, and OpenAMQP has JMS over RabbitMQ. Also,
I noticed on the AMQP org site that 1-0 SOAP Mapping
<> is
proposed, but that may be months before approved and supported.

*From:* Emile Joubert [mailto:emile at]
*Sent:* Mon 11/15/2010 4:49 AM
*To:* rabbitmq-discuss at; Hussein Said
*Subject:* Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Hi Hussein,
On 13/11/10 17:06, Hussein Said wrote:
I would like to know if there is something equivalent to the WCF
ServiceModel on the Java side.
I have a web service hosted in WCF that calls another web
hosted on Axis2. I was able with relative ease
To add the RabbitMQ binding on the .net side, and use SOAP as the
protocol, and RabbitMQ as the transport using the RabbitMQ
libraries. Now I would like to be able to do the same thing from
Java side using SOAP. This will allow us to leverage our current
investments in SOAP, but use RabbitMQ powerful messaging
to transport over Queues.

In theory it should be possible to interoperate using a Java web
services library that speaks the correct flavour of SOAP, but I'm
aware of anyone trying this using the RabbitMQ WCF binding
We would be interested to hear the results of your attempt.



Emile Joubert

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