Grokbase Groups Perl xs April 2006

Marvin Humphrey writes:
On Apr 13, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Jeremy White wrote:

There's sv_isa, which should be cheaper than sv_derived_from at
the expense of not testing inheritance relationships. I dunno if
the overload affects impacts the ability to use it.
Yeah, it's cheaper - but not cheap enough:) I was playing around
with trying to upgrade the SV, and stuffing data in the free slots,
then using those slots to validate the type. Seemed to work for
simple examples, but blew up when used in the real world -
overloading makes things more complicated.
Moving stuff safely across the Perl/C boundary can be expensive.
Can you change the algorithm so that objects don't have to cross
so often?
Not really, as the object is exposed to the end user.
Well you can still _allow_ that low level access (with the speed hit)
but provide C-side constructs which "do more".
For example Audio::Data allows user code to get/set individual sample
values but also provides C methods/overload to work on a whole "track"

If you do need speed, there is a trade-off between safety and speed.
In the limit you don't _need_ to check anything at all.
If perl is calling your XS it is because this "is" one of your objects.
Nothing is faster than doing no check at all ;-)

Downside is that if user corrupts the C-side structure,
or "blesses" something else into your class or calls not-as method
you get a segfault or other bad behaviour.

Another approach is to have the C struct (or C++ object)
associated with the perl object via "MAGIC". I think geting the C
pointer via mg_ptr is slightly faster than sv_isa.

Maybe you could do something insane and heroic, like keep a registry
of pointer addresses that represent qualified objects. Something
like what David Golden does with Class::InsideOut to provide thread
safety. Add each object to the registry when it is created, delete
it when it's DESTROYed. It would require a lot of code, but I'll bet
it would be faster than sv_derived_from. How desperate are you?
But probably akin to sv_isa and subject to same kind of restrictions

Marvin Humphrey
Rectangular Research

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