Matt, perhaps another way to have this chat is to ask the core team what mailing lists they'd like so they can focus on the areas they love/care about (without finding themselves signed up to everything).

For me, at the moment there isn't so much traffic that I can follow all of it. But I guess as it grows I might struggle.

Hopefully at that point I've served my time on the "help people get started" roster and lots of slightly less new people will start helping even newer people. :)

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Matt Reider wrote:

Makes sense.
During yesterday's retrospective we talked about this very issue - engineers having time to visit the google groups. We made a decision to allocate time especially for that purpose. Hopefully you will experience a difference in attentiveness as soon as next week.
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On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:04 AM, David Laing wrote:
+1 for encouraging the core teams to talk shop & post build server notifications on the -dev lists.

As an external person trying to participate in CF dev I often feel excluded - I can see the source code, but none of the "mechanics" around it; so I'm less guessing what the intentions of stuff is.

On 11 April 2013 22:44, Dr Nic Williams wrote:
I'd like bosh-dev to stay and for the actual bosh developers - notably the core team who work on it all day - to talk shop on it. Perhaps jenkins build failures go there too?

We can educate people who cross-post (I've done it plenty of times, sorry).

If the core bosh devs aren't going to write emails on the bosh-dev list; I guess it can be deleted; and we can just discuss user problems only on bosh-users :D

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Matt Reider wrote:
A few weeks ago I asked if we could both move and consolidate our mailing lists because of 1) How Google Group search is biased against groups created within the context of Google Apps and 2) because it's hard for people to know which list to check for what (sometimes).

There were only a few responses - but it seemed like people wanted to keep things separate. One thing I am noticing, though, is that there are many posts in bosh-dev that could go in bosh-users, and vice versa. I also see a lot of cf-dev that are either better suited for, or naturally bleed into bosh-dev.

Should we at least merge bosh-dev and bosh-users? Seems practical. The number of Cloud Operators that are not at all concerned with the architecture of BOSH, at least conceptually, seems like nil.

Sorry to be hung up on this one.


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