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  • Larry Wall and Cults (Lazyness, Impatience and Hubris) 200012 Dear readers, Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult? It is a very interesting phenomenon. I don't have time ...
    Xah LeeXah Lee
    Aug 25, 2004 at 9:56 pm
    Jan 21, 2005 at 9:38 pm
  • One thing I've always kind of wondered is what is the average age of a Python programmer?? What age groups use Python?? Something to think about....
    Lucas RaabLucas Raab
    Aug 18, 2004 at 12:20 pm
    Sep 7, 2004 at 12:50 pm
  • ...that they warrant an entirely new syntax? It seems that they are very similar in a very significant way --- they alter the default behavior of something. IMO, it's not a stretch to say that they ...
    Paul MorrowPaul Morrow
    Aug 24, 2004 at 4:29 pm
    Sep 6, 2004 at 1:36 am
  • often when re-factoring code, I need to change the indent level of some chunk of code. due to the lack of an end marker, my Emacs has to use heuristics when re-indenting, and this will occasionally ...
    Kjetil Torgrim HommeKjetil Torgrim Homme
    Aug 27, 2004 at 11:29 am
    Sep 8, 2004 at 6:13 am
  • The J2 proposal is as complete as it will ever be. http://www.aminus.org/rbre/python/pydec.html The patch is nearly complete; only the __future__ declaration and some document tweaks remain. It ...
    Robert BrewerRobert Brewer
    Aug 25, 2004 at 4:42 pm
    Aug 30, 2004 at 7:58 pm
  • This is an announcement of the beginning of development of a new Python-like language called PyCs (pronounced "pie-cees"). Like IronPython, PyCs will be Python on .Net but it will have more advanced ...
    Mark HahnMark Hahn
    Aug 29, 2004 at 3:44 am
    Sep 9, 2004 at 12:14 pm
  • One of the most commmon reasons programmers cite for not trying Python is that indentation determines the program flow -- they think its weird. I think programmers who actually try Python adapt ...
    BeliavskyBeliavsky
    Aug 13, 2004 at 2:15 pm
    Aug 17, 2004 at 3:48 pm
  • Greg Stein did produce a free threading version of Python. http://python.tpnet.pl/contrib-09-Dec-1999/System/threading.README It performed much slower than GIL based Python, at something like 60% of ...
    Neil HodgsonNeil Hodgson
    Aug 8, 2004 at 1:12 am
    Aug 13, 2004 at 7:01 am
  • There is an amazing article by paul graham about python, and an even better discussion about it on slashdot. The reason I point this out, is the more I read both articles, the more I realised how we ...
    Michael ScarlettMichael Scarlett
    Aug 13, 2004 at 12:05 am
    Aug 17, 2004 at 9:19 am
  • There is something with initializing mutable class attributes that I am struggling with. I'll use an example to explain: class Father: attr1=None # this is OK attr2=[ ] # this is wrong def foo(self, ...
    Dan PerlDan Perl
    Aug 30, 2004 at 5:39 am
    Sep 3, 2004 at 9:01 am
  • For what it's worth, I wrote the original PEP 318. I probably wasn't qualified, but I just wanted a nice simple way to declare class methods without having to repeat the function name. After ...
    Kevin SmithKevin Smith
    Aug 17, 2004 at 10:16 pm
    Aug 21, 2004 at 12:12 pm
  • On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I'm happy to announce the second alpha of Python 2.4. Python 2.4a2 is an alpha release. We'd greatly appreciate it if you could ...
    Anthony BaxterAnthony Baxter
    Aug 5, 2004 at 1:10 pm
    Aug 18, 2004 at 9:54 pm
  • Just been looking at Flash and ActionScript... In the vein of Jython, I wonder what it would take to build a Flython? (Lousy name, I know.) That would take Python source, presumably a subset since ...
    Peter HansenPeter Hansen
    Aug 12, 2004 at 7:14 pm
    Aug 18, 2004 at 1:38 pm
  • How about the following, which I am almost positive has not been suggested: ----- class Klass: def __init__(self, name): self.name = name deco meth0: staticmethod def meth0(x): return x deco meth1: ...
    John MarshallJohn Marshall
    Aug 11, 2004 at 3:16 pm
    Aug 14, 2004 at 5:40 pm
  • It seems there are quite a few projects aimed to improve Python's speed and, therefore, eliminate its main limitation for mainstream acceptance. I just wonder what do you all think? Will Python (and ...
    NeurussNeuruss
    Aug 22, 2004 at 12:05 am
    Aug 25, 2004 at 5:46 pm
  • It seems to be a fairly common pattern for an object-modifying method to return None - however, this is often quite inconvenient. For instance def f(lst1, lst2): g((lst1 + lst2).reverse()) # doesn't ...
    Martin DeMelloMartin DeMello
    Aug 25, 2004 at 8:26 am
    Aug 31, 2004 at 7:46 am
  • I love the language. I love the community. My only complaint is that Python for Windows is built with Visual Studio. It is too difficult to build python, or a module, from source. This is what open ...
    Darren DaleDarren Dale
    Aug 19, 2004 at 3:42 pm
    Aug 24, 2004 at 8:58 am
  • Hello all, First of all, my present state of mind re pep 318 is one of sheepish confusion. I suspect pep 318 will not affect Leo significantly, but I am most surprised that an apparently ...
    Edward K. ReamEdward K. Ream
    Aug 4, 2004 at 8:42 pm
    Aug 6, 2004 at 10:41 pm
  • It seems to me that in python, generators are not truly coroutines. I do not understand why. What I see is that generators are used almost exclusively for generation of lists just-in-time. Side ...
    Timothy FitzTimothy Fitz
    Aug 14, 2004 at 6:32 pm
    Aug 25, 2004 at 2:44 pm
  • ISTM that @limited_expression_producing_function @another def func(): pass is syntactic sugar for creating a hidden list of functions. (Using '|' in place of '@' doesn't change the picture much ...
    Bengt RichterBengt Richter
    Aug 7, 2004 at 11:50 pm
    Aug 13, 2004 at 7:15 am
  • Hi All, Could someone tell me just how secure Python is if compiled to an exe? Is it more or less secure than using some other language? Thanks
    CalvinCalvin
    Aug 15, 2004 at 4:57 am
    Aug 17, 2004 at 4:21 pm
  • I'm not making an argument. I'm speculating. The design goals of PEP318 include: """ make it obvious what is happening; at the very least it should be obvious that new users can safely ignore it when ...
    AjsiegelAjsiegel
    Aug 11, 2004 at 7:00 pm
    Aug 23, 2004 at 2:25 pm
  • I thought I'd finally break my lurker status here by passing along a comment I made in connection with this weblog post <http://zephyrfalcon.org/weblog2/arch_e10_00610.html#e610 , one of many ...
    Chas EmerickChas Emerick
    Aug 14, 2004 at 5:05 am
    Aug 19, 2004 at 11:50 am
  • I was wondering if it was posible to get very good presicion. I mean like to the to the 100 th or more decimal place. if so how?
    AliAli
    Aug 26, 2004 at 10:34 pm
    Sep 2, 2004 at 9:02 pm
  • Here is a python feature that I would like: to be able to import modules from an archive like the jar files in Java. Maybe a regular tar file? Maybe a python specific file type, let's call it a 'par' ...
    Dan PerlDan Perl
    Aug 27, 2004 at 5:06 pm
    Aug 31, 2004 at 11:25 pm
  • Hi, I'm currently checking out Python as an alternative to VB.Net to moving from VB, but can't find a GUI designer that is as good as VB. I tried wxDesigner and wxGlade, but neither lets me move the ...
    FredFred
    Aug 9, 2004 at 2:38 pm
    Aug 13, 2004 at 2:47 am
  • I vote for def f(): [synchronized, classmethod] (body of function) This is backwards compatible (Python <= 2.3 raise SyntaxError), and looks much nicer than @. The only problem is that you can't ...
    C. BarnesC. Barnes
    Aug 5, 2004 at 1:42 am
    Aug 7, 2004 at 11:49 pm
  • Just to put collected wisdom in one spot for now, here's what's in my draft: III. Choosing a keyword If a keyword is to be chosen over @ or other punctuation, the question remains, "which word should ...
    Robert BrewerRobert Brewer
    Aug 22, 2004 at 2:38 pm
    Aug 23, 2004 at 10:06 pm
  • For what it's worth: As far as I know, the proposed @decorator syntax will be the first time that two logical lines of python with the same indentation will not be independent of one another. ...
    DaishiDaishi
    Aug 6, 2004 at 6:33 am
    Aug 11, 2004 at 5:33 pm
  • Is there any interest in a (hypothetical) standard graph API (with 'graph' meaning a network, consisting of nodes and edges)? Yes, we have the standard ways of implementing graphs through (e.g.) ...
    Magnus Lie HetlandMagnus Lie Hetland
    Aug 23, 2004 at 5:04 pm
    Sep 11, 2004 at 10:09 am
  • When doing object-oriented stuff, it bothers me to have to type "self" so many times. I propose that Python allow the programmer to optionally type ".variable" instead of "self.variable" to mean the ...
    Brent W. HughesBrent W. Hughes
    Aug 25, 2004 at 10:01 pm
    Sep 4, 2004 at 3:20 pm
  • Now that the '-*- coding: <charset -*-' feature has arrived, I'd like to see an addition: # -*- str7bit:True -*- After the source file has been converted to Unicode, cause a parse error if a non-u'' ...
    Hallvard B FurusethHallvard B Furuseth
    Aug 5, 2004 at 8:24 pm
    Aug 29, 2004 at 7:47 am
  • parameters ':' suite Would you consider this instead? decorator_suite: expression_stmt | NEWLINE INDENT expression_stmt+ DEDENT funcdef: ['decorate' ':' decorator_suite] 'def' NAME parameters ':' ...
    Robert BrewerRobert Brewer
    Aug 21, 2004 at 3:25 am
    Aug 24, 2004 at 3:55 am
  • Hi Mark, It was a pleasure to meet you at VanPy, and I was sorry that I had to leave in the middle of your talk (I had a plane to catch and David had scared me about delays). I was pleasantly ...
    Guido van RossumGuido van Rossum
    Aug 6, 2004 at 5:12 am
    Aug 13, 2004 at 6:12 pm
  • I agree, for reasons which will become clear in the proposal draft. I'd be most interested to hear arguments _against_ "declare", if there are any. Robert Brewer MIS Amor Ministries fumanchu at ...
    Robert BrewerRobert Brewer
    Aug 22, 2004 at 4:51 am
    Aug 25, 2004 at 7:48 pm
  • PEP 263 is marked finished in the PEP index, however I haven't seen the specified Phase 2 in the list of changes for 2.4 which is when I expected it. Did phase 2 get cancelled, or is it just not in ...
    John RothJohn Roth
    Aug 5, 2004 at 9:17 pm
    Aug 9, 2004 at 8:59 pm
  • I am attempting to create a tuple of file sizes from a list or URLs. Unfortunately not all files are returned with a "Content-Length" header. Does anybody knwo a more absolute or reliable way to get ...
    JustinJustin
    Aug 30, 2004 at 3:04 pm
    Aug 31, 2004 at 7:08 pm
  • I have a program that downloads files from the web. There are instances in which a .info() will not return a "Content-length" header to me. Is ther a way to specifically request this header or FORCE ...
    JustinJustin
    Aug 30, 2004 at 5:52 pm
    Sep 2, 2004 at 11:01 pm
  • python-dev Summary for 2004-08-01 through 2004-08-15 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is a summary of traffic on the `python-dev mailing list`_ from August 01, 2004 through ...
    Brett CannonBrett Cannon
    Aug 24, 2004 at 4:50 am
    Aug 26, 2004 at 1:30 pm
  • I think one of the biggest reasons we're having such problems coming to any agreement on decorator syntax is that each proposal makes a number of syntax decisions, not just one. For decorators, I see ...
    Steven BethardSteven Bethard
    Aug 6, 2004 at 5:19 pm
    Aug 10, 2004 at 4:10 am
  • Decorator syntax seems to have been checked into 2.4b2. I'm not going to comment on the syntax other than to say that, when there isn't a real obvious syntax, someone has to make a decision, and this ...
    John RothJohn Roth
    Aug 4, 2004 at 4:46 pm
    Aug 6, 2004 at 7:03 pm
  • Anthony ... here's what I managed [to edit in PEP 318] before a tidal Anthony wave of crap flowed in... I checked in Anthony's changes to PEP 318 (sent in private email) with very few modifications. ...
    Skip MontanaroSkip Montanaro
    Aug 6, 2004 at 3:54 am
    Aug 27, 2004 at 3:03 pm
  • The first draft of the J2 proposal is ready. You can read it here: http://www.aminus.org/rbre/python/pydec.html At this point, I am looking for comments regarding the proposal. Once I believe I have ...
    Robert BrewerRobert Brewer
    Aug 23, 2004 at 5:19 am
    Aug 25, 2004 at 2:33 am
  • Hello everyone, I'm trying to make a simple python script that will read a text file with a bunch of chess games and tell me how many games there are. The common format for such chess games is the ...
    Aaron DeskinsAaron Deskins
    Aug 16, 2004 at 3:16 pm
    Aug 19, 2004 at 1:02 am
  • Well said! Reading the posts here and in the python-dev I've counted the following votes for it (I'm sure that there were a lot more but it is awfully hard to keep up with the posts on the topic). ...
    Istvan AlbertIstvan Albert
    Aug 6, 2004 at 2:39 am
    Aug 7, 2004 at 6:39 pm
  • Hi, When list comprehension was added to the language, I had a lot of trouble understanding it but now that I am familiar with it, I am not sure how I programmed in Python without it. Now I see that ...
    Mahesh PadmanabhanMahesh Padmanabhan
    Aug 28, 2004 at 6:19 pm
    Sep 1, 2004 at 7:13 pm
  • Hi, A C program can be hundreds of thousands lines of code big. C++ millions. How about Python? Suppose , you are a sole programmer (lonewolf). How many lines can one handle? Thanks, jan bodnar
    VronskijVronskij
    Aug 17, 2004 at 11:33 am
    Aug 25, 2004 at 8:50 am
  • Hi All, Can someone help. I promise I've looked how to do this but can't find a way... Ok, to find one name is easy if 'Bob' in list: print "They were found" else: print "They are not in list" But, ...
    M. CliftM. Clift
    Aug 20, 2004 at 1:42 am
    Aug 22, 2004 at 11:28 pm
  • Paul Graham's recent book "Hackers & Painters" may be interesting readers for Python programmers. He likes flexible languages like Python, although Lisp is his favorite. Here is a quote from his ...
    BeliavskyBeliavsky
    Aug 6, 2004 at 7:27 pm
    Aug 11, 2004 at 8:02 pm
  • I see per pydoc that Queue.Queue()'s .qsize is allegedly unreliable: Any thoughts on why this is unreliable (and more curiously, why it would be put in there as an unreliable function?) Rather than ...
    James R. Saker Jr.James R. Saker Jr.
    Aug 6, 2004 at 3:24 pm
    Aug 10, 2004 at 6:06 pm
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