python-dev@python.org discussions for January 2011

96	[Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

Hi, I patched Python 3.2 to support modules with non-ASCII paths (*). It works well on all operating systems. But the task is not completly done: (a) Python 3 doesn't support non-ASCII module names ...

Victor Stinner
Jan 19, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Jan 27, 2011 at 8:26 pm

44	[Python-Dev] PEP 393: Flexible String Representation

I have been thinking about Unicode representation for some time now. This was triggered, on the one hand, by discussions with Glyph Lefkowitz (who complained that his server app consumes too much ...

Martin v. Löwis
Jan 24, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Jan 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm

32	[Python-Dev] MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047)

Reviewers: , Please review this at http://codereview.appspot.com/4080047/ Affected files: M Tools/msi/msi.py M Tools/msi/msilib.py Index: Tools/msi/msi.py ...

Techtonik
Jan 31, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Feb 2, 2011 at 11:03 am

30	[Python-Dev] PEP 3333: wsgi_string() function

Hi, In the PEP 3333, I read: -------------- import os, sys enc, esc = sys.getfilesystemencoding(), 'surrogateescape' def wsgi_string(u): # Convert an environment variable to a WSGI "bytes-as-unicode" ...

Victor Stinner
Jan 4, 2011 at 2:44 am
Jan 11, 2011 at 1:03 am

29	[Python-Dev] Finally fix installer to add Python to %PATH% on Windows

Hi, I'd like to You probably know that after installation on Windows system it is possible to call Python from Explorer's Run dialog (Win-R). It is because Python path is added to App Paths registry ...

Anatoly techtonik
Jan 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Feb 20, 2011 at 6:39 am

25	[Python-Dev] Checking input range in time.asctime and time.ctime

There are several reports of bugs caused by the fact that the behavior of C functions asctime and ctime is undefined when they are asked to format time for more than 4-digit years: ...

Alexander Belopolsky
Jan 4, 2011 at 12:06 am
Jan 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm

23	[Python-Dev] devguide: Cover how to (un-)apply a patch.

Or, simply and more reliably, use the corresponding VCS incantation ("svn revert -R ." or "hg revert -a"). Regards Antoine.

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 17, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Jan 19, 2011 at 9:27 pm

22	[Python-Dev] API refactoring tracker field for Python4

There are many API changes and proposals that were forgotten and didn't get into Python 3, although they should be, because it was the only chance to change things with backwards compatibility break. ...

Anatoly techtonik
Jan 7, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Jan 10, 2011 at 1:54 am

18	[Python-Dev] Moving stuff out of Misc and over to the devguide

There is a bunch of stuff in Misc that probably belongs in the devguide (under Resources) instead of in svn. Here are the files I think can be moved (in order of how strongly I think they should be ...

Brett Cannon
Jan 17, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Feb 2, 2011 at 11:05 pm

17	[Python-Dev] Issue #11051: system calls per import

Hi, Antoine Pitrou noticed that Python 3.2 tries a lot of filenames to load a module: http://bugs.python.org/issue11051 Python 3.1 does already test many filenames, but with Python 3.2, it is even ...

Victor Stinner
Jan 30, 2011 at 8:56 am
Feb 4, 2011 at 5:10 am

15	[Python-Dev] Location of tests for packages

Right now, the tests for the unittest package are under the package directory instead of Lib/test where we have most of the other tests. There are some other packages that do the same thing, each for ...

Raymond Hettinger
Jan 24, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Jan 26, 2011 at 1:30 am

12	[Python-Dev] Beta version of the new devguide

http://docs.python.org/devguide/ If you are a core developer and have a correction you want to make you can simply check out the devguide yourself (link is in the Resources section of the devguide) ...

Brett Cannon
Jan 23, 2011 at 1:08 am
Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

12	[Python-Dev] "unit test needed"

Hello, I would like to advocate again for the removal of the "unit test needed" stage on the tracker, which regularly confuses our triagers into thinking it's an actual requirement or expectation ...

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 10, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Jan 11, 2011 at 9:36 pm

10	[Python-Dev] getting stable URLs for major.minor versions

Because of all the writing I have been doing lately, I have been pulling up a lot of URLs pointing to various Python releases based around minor versions (e.g., Python 2.7, not specifically 2.7.1). ...

Brett Cannon
Jan 27, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Jan 28, 2011 at 10:50 am

9	[Python-Dev] 3.2b2 fails test suite on (my) Windows XP

To test Brett's test running instruction, I ran python -m test # not ./Python! in a Command Prompt window --- Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] == CPython 3.2b2 (r32b2:87398, Dec 19 2010, ...

Terry Reedy
Jan 5, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Jan 12, 2011 at 11:53 pm

9	[Python-Dev] devguide: Add an intermediate task of helping triage issues (not to be confused with the

FWIW, I'm really not fond of handing out triage tasks to beginners. First because the claim that it doesn't require any specific knowledge is wrong (in the case of Python, because it is a highly ...

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 8, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Jan 11, 2011 at 7:25 pm

9	[Python-Dev] Add sendfile() to core?

So, was this proposal rejected? If so, for what reasons? Wrapper of such a useful call would be of great convenience, especially considering its availability on Win32 (see Thomas Heller's notice, ...

Max ulidtko
Jan 8, 2011 at 7:55 am
Jan 10, 2011 at 12:23 am

7	[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-12-31 - 2011-01-07) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues ...

Python tracker
Jan 7, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Jan 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm

7	[Python-Dev] Keeping __init__.py empty for Python packages used for module grouping.

Looking at http://docs.python.org/dev/library/html.html#module-html it would appear that we've created a new module with a single trivial function. In reality, there was already a python package, ...

Raymond Hettinger
Jan 24, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Jan 25, 2011 at 4:40 am

7	[Python-Dev] Exception __name__ missing?

Is this on purpose? Python 3.2rc1 (py3k:88040, Jan 15 2011, 18:11:39) [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. 'Exception' Traceback (most recent ...

Ron Adam
Jan 17, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Jan 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm

7	[Python-Dev] FYI: Python 2.7.1 + gcc 4.6 (experimental) probable optimizer problem

I just wanted to share an observation in case Python developers are interested: Python 2.7.1 doesn't build with the current gcc 4.6 svn. Note that gcc 4.6 is now in "bug-fix only" mode. Some details: ...

Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
Jan 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Jan 12, 2011 at 2:28 am

7	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Start a doc on running and writing unit tests.

Not on Windows. C:\Programs\Python32 ./python -m test '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. python -m test works (until it failed, separate issue). ...

Terry Reedy
Jan 5, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Jan 6, 2011 at 7:26 am

7	[Python-Dev] Omit Py_buffer struct from Stable ABI for Python 3.2?

Currently [1], the implementation and the documentation for PEP 3118's Py_buffer struct don't line up (there's an extra field in the implementation that the PEP doesn't mention). Accordingly, Mark ...

Nick Coghlan
Jan 5, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 pm

6	[Python-Dev] Mercurial style patch submission (Was: MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047))

If you don't want to receive a stupid answer, why don't you read the link and say what you don't like in this approach in a constructive manner? ...

Anatoly techtonik
Jan 31, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Feb 1, 2011 at 10:22 am

6	[Python-Dev] devguide: Point out that OS X users need to change examples to use python.exe instead of

In article <E1Pawh0-0001Py-7i at dinsdale.python.org , brett.cannon wrote: [...] That's true on OS X if you are using a case-insensitive file system. But wIth the newer, case-sensitive HFS+, for ...

Ned Deily
Jan 6, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Jan 11, 2011 at 12:46 pm

5	[Python-Dev] fcmp() in test.support

I'm working on improving the .rst documentation of test.support (Issue 11015), and came upon the undocumented "fcmp" function that's being exported from test.support, along with a "FUZZ"constant. As ...

Eli Bendersky
Jan 28, 2011 at 4:55 am
Jan 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm

5	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88197 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/email/generator.py

Folks, for the peace of mind of python-checkins watchers, please remember to mention the reviewer's name when checking in fixes during the RC period (the last one I checked had been reviewed by Georg ...

Nick Coghlan
Jan 26, 2011 at 1:41 am
Jan 26, 2011 at 6:08 pm

5	[Python-Dev] What's new 2.x in 3.x docs.

The 3.x docs mostly started fresh with 3.0. The major exception is the What's new section, which goes back to 2.0. The 2.x stuff comprises about 650KB in the repository and whatever that translates ...

Terry Reedy
Jan 22, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Jan 24, 2011 at 7:26 pm

5	[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

On behalf of the Python development team, I'm very happy to announce the first release candidate of Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is a continuation of the efforts to improve and stabilize the Python 3.x ...

Georg Brandl
Jan 16, 2011 at 7:33 am
Jan 17, 2011 at 2:33 pm

5	[Python-Dev] Where are Python 2.5.5 binaries for Windows?

I need Python 2.5.5 binaries to run Google AppEngine SDK 1.4.1 on Windows, but can't find them on http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.5/ Why are they removed? -- anatoly t.

Anatoly techtonik
Jan 11, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Jan 12, 2011 at 3:31 am

5	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Strip out all generic svn instructions from the FAQ. It's not only

Your call as the author, but please reconsider this one. I've found it *hugely* convenient over the years to have these task oriented answers in the FAQ. The problem with the answers all over the ...

Nick Coghlan
Jan 5, 2011 at 2:13 am
Jan 7, 2011 at 4:49 am

4	[Python-Dev] Byte code arguments from two to one byte: did anyone try this?

I tried to find any research on this subject, but I couldn't find any, so I'll be daring and vulnerable and just try it out to see what your thoughts are. I single stepped a simple loop in Python to ...

Jurjen N.E. Bos
Jan 31, 2011 at 9:17 am
Jan 31, 2011 at 1:30 pm

4	[Python-Dev] r88178 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/crashers/underlying_dict.py

Some comments would be nice. Right now it looks pretty close to deliberately obfuscated code (especially with the call to gc.get_referrers()). Regards Antoine.

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 25, 2011 at 11:26 am
Jan 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm

4	[Python-Dev] tahoe-lafs

Greetings! I know that this list is for python development questions/comments, but I wanted to bring up the tahoe-lafs project if people are interested in a project developed in python that allows ...

Earney, Billy C.
Jan 24, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Jan 25, 2011 at 10:13 am

4	[Python-Dev] build problem

Hello I got the latest copy of python source from svn and was trying to build it on Windows Vista (32 bit) using Microsoft Visual Express 2008. I got the following error: 5 "C:\Program ...

Prasun Ratn
Jan 23, 2011 at 7:20 am
Jan 24, 2011 at 3:08 am

4	[Python-Dev] r88147 - in python/branches/py3k: Misc/NEWS Modules/_pickle.c Tools/scripts/find_recursionlimit.py

I forgot to mention that it was ok'ed by Georg, so there it is. Regards Antoine.

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 23, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Jan 24, 2011 at 1:16 am

4	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88127 - in python/branches/py3k/Misc: README.AIX README.OpenBSD cheatsheet

Are you sure that the AIX README is outdated ? It explains some of the details of why there are scripts like ld_so_aix which are still needed on AIX. Same here. Does OpenBSD 4.x still have the issues ...

M.-A. Lemburg
Jan 20, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Jan 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm

4	[Python-Dev] Tools/unicode

Hello all, In the Tools/ directory (py3k) we have a tool/directory called "unicode". The description in Tools/README is: unicode Tools used to generate unicode database files for Python 2.0 (by ...

Michael Foord
Jan 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Jan 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm

3	[Python-Dev] short fetch for NEXTARG macro (was: one byte byte code arguments)

I just did it: my first python source code hack. I replaced the NEXTARG and PEEKARG macros in ceval.c using a cast to short pointer, and lo and behold, a crude measurement indicates one to two ...

Jurjen N.E. Bos
Jan 31, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Jan 31, 2011 at 2:29 pm

3	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87815 - peps/trunk/pep-3333.txt

Are ('Status: %s\r\n' % status) and ('%s: %s\r\n' % header) byte strings or unicode strings? Victor

Victor Stinner
Jan 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Jan 21, 2011 at 11:34 am

3	[Python-Dev] devguide: Write a guide to committing a patch.

[...] Do we want to spend so much time explaining how to use SVN for core developers while we're supposed to switch to Mercurial Real Soon Now? (current core devs already know how to use it, and we ...

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 18, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Jan 18, 2011 at 7:28 pm

3	[Python-Dev] devguide: Add a doc outlining how to add something to the stdlib.

Actually, most feature requests get approved without this intermediate step. So I would suggest directing people to the tracker instead. Only very large or controversial additions usually get refused ...

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 17, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Jan 17, 2011 at 9:17 pm

3	[Python-Dev] Approach for constructing Global Variables for Python

Hi All: ? I would like to propose a solution for a proper use of Global Variables. My assumption came from the fact that most databases are using share memory to construct on the main memory a ...

Ali musa
Jan 13, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Jan 14, 2011 at 12:51 am

3	[Python-Dev] Hello everyone

Hello everyone, My name is Yeswanth . I am doing my third year Btech in Computer Science in India. My desire is to get into gsoc 2011 . I have been looking over the projects of last year to see where ...

Yeswanth
Jan 5, 2011 at 11:48 am
Jan 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm

2	[Python-Dev] (no subject)

Using:Python 2.7.0+ (r27:82500, Sep 15 2010, 18:14:55) [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2(Ubuntu 10.10) Method to reproduce error: 1. Defining a module which is later imported by another: ...

Stefan Spoettl
Jan 24, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Jan 24, 2011 at 5:33 pm

2	[Python-Dev] web framework for py3k

I would want to help porting some web framework for py3k .. I want to know to know which one is good and which can be ported easily . Also i would require some guidance for this work as I am just a ...

Yeswanth
Jan 22, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Jan 23, 2011 at 6:23 pm

2	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88121 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst

Hum, I think that "undecoded" bytes term is more appropriate. You can decode bytes and encode characters, but not the opposite. Victor

Victor Stinner
Jan 20, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Jan 21, 2011 at 7:33 am

2	[Python-Dev] r88122 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst

Shouldn't we wait until that repository is ready? Right now people willing to work with it will get the surprise that it hasn't been updated for 3 months. Regards Antoine.

Antoine Pitrou
Jan 20, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Jan 20, 2011 at 2:04 pm

2	[Python-Dev] Tidying up the Meta-PEP and Other Informational PEP sections of PEP 0

python-checkins watchers would be aware that I just checked in a few changes to the PEP 0 generator (and a few PEP statuses) to start tidying up the first two sections of PEP 0. The old release ...

Nick Coghlan
Jan 18, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Jan 19, 2011 at 11:11 pm

2	[Python-Dev] I want my sugar...

I am a newbie to python, and am curious why the following syntax is not supported: # Boolean test on x... if (x = someFunc(...)): # Do something with x... I've found it convenient in perl. Is the ...

Peter Hall
Jan 16, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Jan 16, 2011 at 5:54 pm

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