python-dev@python.org discussions for November 2010

173	[Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

Two recently reported issues brought into light the fact that Python language definition is closely tied to character properties maintained by the Unicode Consortium. [1,2] For example, when Python ...

Alexander Belopolsky
Nov 28, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Dec 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm

154	[Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

Was: [issue2001] Pydoc interactive browsing enhancement On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: .. I have a similar issue with the trace module and would appreciate some guidance on this ...

Alexander Belopolsky
Nov 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Nov 18, 2010 at 4:50 pm

96	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86633 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/inspect.rst Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst Lib/inspect.py Lib/test/test_inspect.py Misc/NEWS

I wonder if those shouldn?t be marked up as :data: or something to make them indexed.

Éric Araujo
Nov 22, 2010 at 12:54 am
Nov 30, 2010 at 2:23 am

73	[Python-Dev] len(chr(i)) = 2?

I was recently surprised to learn that chr(i) can produce a string of length 2 in python 3.x. I suspect that I am not alone finding this behavior non-obvious given that a mistake in Python manual ...

Alexander Belopolsky
Nov 19, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Nov 27, 2010 at 8:48 am

35	[Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 16, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Nov 21, 2010 at 5:58 pm

33	[Python-Dev] Python-3 transition in Arch Linux

Hi, While this is not strictly related to python development, I thought that developers of python might be interested in some of the lessons provided by this. So forgive me if this is really wrong ...

Allan McRae
Nov 4, 2010 at 4:44 am
Nov 7, 2010 at 9:06 pm

27	[Python-Dev] Removal of Win32 ANSI API

Hello. Is it possible to remove Win32 ANSI API (ie: GetFileAttributesA) and only use Win32 WIDE API (ie: GetFileAttributesW)? Mainly in posixmodule.c. I think we can simplify the code hugely. (This ...

Hirokazu Yamamoto
Nov 11, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Nov 26, 2010 at 8:39 pm

23	[Python-Dev] Stable buildbots

Hi, Just to let you know that we now have 8 stable buildbots, including Barry's own PPC Ubuntu machine (even though the Windows buildbots give a rather unconventional meaning to the word ...

Antoine Pitrou
Nov 13, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Jan 30, 2011 at 9:46 pm

21	[Python-Dev] SSH access against buildbot boxes

Hi, sorry in advance if this sounds a little indiscreet, but I think it would be great if we'd have SSH access against some of the computers used to host buildbots. Personally, I would find this ...

Giampaolo Rodolà
Nov 6, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Nov 8, 2010 at 11:57 am

19	[Python-Dev] Solaris family and 64 bits compiling

A Solaris installation contains ALWAYS 32 and 64 bits libraries. So in any Solaris you can run 32/64 bits programs, and compile in 32 and 64 bits. For this, libraries are stores in "/usr/lib", for ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 22, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Mar 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm

18	[Python-Dev] PEP 384 final review

I have now completed http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0384/ Benjamin has volunteered to rule on this PEP. Please comment with any changes you want to see, or speak in favor or against this PEP. ...

Martin v. Löwis
Nov 28, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Nov 30, 2010 at 2:04 am

15	[Python-Dev] python3k : imp.find_module raises SyntaxError

hello, working on Pylint, we have a lot of voluntary corrupted files to test Pylint behavior; for instance $ cat /home/emile/var/pylint/test/input/func_unknown_encoding.py # -*- coding: IBO-8859-1 ...

Emile Anclin
Nov 25, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Dec 1, 2010 at 3:20 pm

14	[Python-Dev] Pickle alternative in stdlib (Was: On breaking modules into packages)

But what is alternative in stdlib? Don't you think that Python doesn't provide any? -- anatoly t.

Anatoly techtonik
Nov 4, 2010 at 6:28 am
Nov 5, 2010 at 1:18 pm

12	[Python-Dev] PEP 385: Formatting of Hg checkin notifications

Following the python-checkins list, I get to see both the current SVN notifications and the Hg notifications from Tarek's pushes into the distutils repository. I realised today that there is one key ...

Nick Coghlan
Nov 14, 2010 at 1:28 am
Nov 15, 2010 at 8:43 pm

11	[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-10-29 - 2010-11-05) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues ...

Python tracker
Nov 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Nov 26, 2010 at 5:07 pm

10	[Python-Dev] is this a bug? no environment variables

In reviewing my notes from my experimentations with CGIHTTPServer (Python2.6) and then http.server (Python 3.2a4), I note one behavior I haven't reported as a bug, nor do I know where to start to ...

Glenn Linderman
Nov 22, 2010 at 5:40 am
Nov 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm

10	[Python-Dev] Re-enable warnings in regrtest and/or unittest

I would like to re-enable by default warnings for regrtest and/or unittest. The reasons are: 1) these tools are used mainly by developers and they (should) care about warnings; 2) developers won't ...

Ezio Melotti
Nov 22, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Nov 23, 2010 at 2:03 pm

9	[Python-Dev] OpenSSL Voluntarily (openssl-1.0.0a)

Hello. Does this affect python? Thank you. http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20101116.txt

Hirokazu Yamamoto
Nov 23, 2010 at 4:13 am
Dec 9, 2010 at 11:17 pm

9	[Python-Dev] [Preview] Comments and change proposals on documentation

Hi, at <http://dpo.gbrandl.de/contents , you can look at a version of the 3.2 docs that has the upcoming commenting feature. JavaScript is mandatory. I've switched on anonymous comments for testing, ...

Georg Brandl
Nov 24, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Dec 1, 2010 at 9:15 pm

9	[Python-Dev] "Too many open files" errors on "x86 FreeBSD 7.2 3.x" buildbot

Hi, I noticed "OSError: [Errno 23] Too many open files in system" errors on your FreeBSD buildbot. I would like to know if you configured a limit on the open files or maybe of child processes on this ...

Victor Stinner
Nov 6, 2010 at 11:19 am
Nov 9, 2010 at 1:57 am

8	[Python-Dev] Web servers, bytes, str, documentation, Python 3.2a4

So maybe this is the wrong forum, if so please tell me what the right forum is for each of the various pieces. I'm assuming that I should file some bugs in the tracker, but I'm not exactly sure ...

Glenn Linderman
Nov 20, 2010 at 3:48 am
Nov 24, 2010 at 7:43 am

8	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86355 - python/branches/py3k/Modules/_pickle.c

C99 allows it. Which compiler is giving you trouble?

Alexander Belopolsky
Nov 9, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Nov 11, 2010 at 6:09 am

8	[Python-Dev] Backward incompatible API changes in the pydoc module

All, I was about to commit the patch for issue 2001 (the improvements to the pydoc web server and the removal of the Tk GUI) when I realised that pydoc.serve() and pydoc.gui() are technically public ...

Nick Coghlan
Nov 8, 2010 at 11:44 am
Nov 9, 2010 at 4:47 am

8	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85902 - in python/branches/py3k/Lib: os.py test/test_os.py

I don't know how to ignore the BytesWarning without importing warning. How can I do that? Victor

Victor Stinner
Nov 2, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Nov 4, 2010 at 2:59 pm

7	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86720 - python/branches/py3k/Misc/ACKS

I used Notepad to edit the file, TortoiseSvn to commit, the same as I did for #9222, rev86702, Lib\idlelib\IOBinding.py, yesterday. If the latter is OK, perhaps *.py gets filtered better than misc. ...

Terry Reedy
Nov 23, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Nov 27, 2010 at 7:35 am

7	[Python-Dev] okay to remove argparse.__all__?

I think the easiest and most sensible way to address http://bugs.python.org/issue9353 is to simply remove the __all__ definition from argparse - everything that doesn't start with an underscore in ...

Steven Bethard
Nov 1, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Nov 1, 2010 at 3:10 pm

6	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86566 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/glossary.rst Doc/library/inspect.rst Lib/inspect.py Lib/test/test_inspect.py Misc/NEWS Misc/python-wing4.wpr

This description feels a little strong to me - getattr_static still executes all those things on the metaclass as it retrieves the information it needs to do the "static" lookup. Leaving this ...

Nick Coghlan
Nov 20, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Nov 21, 2010 at 3:54 am

6	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86441 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/test_nntplib.py

aioe went away for several months a couple of years ago or so. Let us hope it stays up for awhile now. The ssl connection currently does not work (expired certificate). Terry

Terry Reedy
Nov 13, 2010 at 1:31 am
Nov 13, 2010 at 8:56 pm

6	[Python-Dev] buildbot master update

As you may have noticed: I updated the buildbot master to release 0.8.2. If you notice any problems, please post them here. Slave operators can upgrade their installations at their own pace; buildbot ...

Martin v. Löwis
Nov 12, 2010 at 9:29 am
Nov 13, 2010 at 2:15 pm

6	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86264 - python/branches/release27-maint/Lib/distutils/sysconfig.py

I'm skeptical that this change should be carried out, then. It's easy to argue that this can't possibly hurt (but I can certainly come up with code that will break under that change); however, I fail ...

Martin v. Löwis
Nov 6, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Nov 8, 2010 at 4:00 pm

5	[Python-Dev] PEP 291 versus Python 3

Good morning python-dev, PEP 291 (Backward Compatibility for Standard Library) does not seem to take Python 3 into account. Is this PEP only relevant for the 2.7 branch?* If it?s supposed to apply to ...

Éric Araujo
Nov 30, 2010 at 6:33 am
Nov 30, 2010 at 9:05 pm

5	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86750 - python/branches/py3k/Demo/curses/life.py

Hello, Shouldn?t his name rather be in Misc/ACKS too? Modules typically (warning: non-scientific data) include the name of the author or first contributors but not the name of every contributor. I ...

Éric Araujo
Nov 26, 2010 at 1:32 am
Nov 27, 2010 at 3:07 pm

5	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86699 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/zipfile.py

No test? 2010/11/22 lukasz.langa <python-checkins at python.org : -- Regards, Benjamin

Benjamin Peterson
Nov 22, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Nov 23, 2010 at 2:59 pm

5	[Python-Dev] Help deploying a new buildbot running OpenIndiana/x86

Hi, everybody. I am glad to say I am installing an OpenIndiana zone (Openindiana is a fork of Indiana, a distribution of OpenSolaris) with the aim to be a buildbot for python development. This ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Nov 17, 2010 at 5:13 pm

5	[Python-Dev] python3k vs _ast

hello everybody, migrating Pylint to python3.x, we encounter a little problem : in the tree generated by _ast, if we consider a "args" node (representing an argument of a function), the "lineno" (and ...

Emile Anclin
Nov 17, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Nov 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm

5	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86348 - in python/branches/py3k/Lib: test/test_xml_etree.py xml/etree/ElementTree.py

Hello Senthil Shouldn?t this include an entry in NEWS and maybe in ACKS? Regards

Éric Araujo
Nov 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Nov 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm

5	[Python-Dev] GUI test runner tool

Hello all, Now that unittest has test discovery, Mark Roddy has been working on resurrecting the old GUI test runner (using Tkinter): https://bitbucket.org/markroddy/unittestgui This was part of the ...

Michael Foord
Nov 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Nov 9, 2010 at 12:17 pm

4	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86745 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/difflib.rst Lib/difflib.py Lib/test/test_difflib.py Misc/NEWS

Catching up on checkins traffic, so a later checkin may already fix this, but there should be a versionchanged tag in the docs to note when the autojunk parameter was added. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick ...

Nick Coghlan
Nov 27, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Nov 27, 2010 at 8:50 pm

4	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r86817 - python/branches/py3k-stat-on-windows/Lib/test/test_shutil.py

You might be working on something slightly different, but I have an issue created for the failure of that test: http://bugs.python.org/issue10540 It slipped past me because I was only running the ...

Brian Curtin
Nov 26, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Nov 26, 2010 at 8:31 pm

4	[Python-Dev] Sporadic problems with bugs.python.org

Happen to me last Sunday, and happening just now. I can access http://bugs.python.org/ just fine, but trying to post a message, open a new bug, change nosy, etc., takes a LONG time (minutes) and it ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 23, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Nov 24, 2010 at 3:03 am

4	[Python-Dev] Help with warnings not being raised

Hi all. I just committed r86180, but there is something I don't like. If you read the tests I did (by hand)at http://bugs.python.org/issue9675#msg120462 , python should show the unraisable and THEN ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 5, 2010 at 12:26 am
Nov 8, 2010 at 12:59 pm

4	[Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r85987 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/test_os.py

Does this really cause resource warning? I think os.popen instance won't be into traceback because it's not declared as variable. So I suppose it will be deleted by reference count == 0 even when ...

Hirokazu Yamamoto
Nov 1, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Nov 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm

4	[Python-Dev] Question on imports and packages

Brett, Does the import mechanism for importing packages preserve enough information to be able to figure-out where all the components are defined? I'm wondering if it is possible for the class ...

Raymond Hettinger
Nov 2, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Nov 3, 2010 at 3:02 am

3	[Python-Dev] r86570 - in python/branches/py3k: Lib/unittest/case.py Lib/unittest/test/test_case.py Misc/NEWS

You must also check that the object can be unpickled, otherwise making TestCase picklable is not only pointless, but misleading the user. Other classes which claim to be picklable (such as e.g. ...

Antoine Pitrou
Nov 20, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Nov 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm

3	[Python-Dev] I need help with IO testuite

Hi all. I am modifying IO module for Python 3.2, and I am unable to understand the mechanism used in IO testsuite to test both the C and the Python implementation. In particular I need to test that ...

Jesus Cea
Nov 17, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Nov 17, 2010 at 3:00 pm

3	[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 4

On behalf of the Python development team, I'm happy to announce the fourth and (this time really) final alpha preview release of Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is a continuation of the efforts to improve and ...

Georg Brandl
Nov 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Nov 16, 2010 at 5:03 pm

3	[Python-Dev] Issues 9931 and 9055 - test_ttk_guionly and buildbot run as a service

Hi, My buildbot has been failing for some time because of these 2 issues, both related to the fact that tests are hanging when run as a service (and hence have no display to open GUI elements on). ...

Paul Moore
Nov 12, 2010 at 8:44 am
Nov 14, 2010 at 5:31 pm

3	[Python-Dev] r86418 - in python/branches/release27-maint: Doc/library/difflib.rst Lib/difflib.py Lib/test/test_difflib.py Misc/NEWS

Hello, On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:22:19 +0100 (CET) terry.reedy wrote: Maybe I've missed something, but is there any reason to add a new parameter in a bugfix release? (apart from security issues) ...

Antoine Pitrou
Nov 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Nov 13, 2010 at 12:51 am

3	[Python-Dev] bugs.python.org migration

bugs.python.org is moving to a new hardware; this also involves a new IP address. The migration will happen on Thursday, likely around 8:00 UTC. If all goes well, outage should be very short. ...

Martin v. Löwis
Nov 9, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Nov 11, 2010 at 12:20 am

3	[Python-Dev] rlcompleter -- auto-complete dictionary keys (+ tests)

Hi, A) I missed the auto-complete feature for dictionary keys a lot in python console. This patch seems to do the job. B) There is no rlcompleter tests in trunk for some reason. So, I've taken the ...

Valery Khamenya
Nov 7, 2010 at 10:19 am
Nov 9, 2010 at 10:40 am

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