Josh Berkus (j...@agliodbs.com)

Everyone,

> > I would junk pgsql-sql, pgsql-ports, pgsql-performance, pgsql-novice
> > and redirect them all to pgsql-general and pgsql-docs,
> > pgsql-interfaces, and pgsql-bugs and send them all to -hackers.

Speaking of keeping discussions on topic: this discussion is taking off in
a tangent at this point, and it's on two lists.  So can we either get it 
back to constructive work, or kill it off, please?

While *some* people on these lists have the mail software to filter
100messages/day, there are other subscribers who are driven away by
excessive volume.  So please do your part to keep the lists accessable to 
everyone.  Thanks!

> I agree except for that last bit. Search is huge and relying only on
> word-of-mouth is silly when we have plenty of people who know how to
> optimize.

This is completely the wrong argument to be having.  Search engine issues 
are important only *after* you have a certification exam and program.  
Right now, you have a mailing list and presumably a trac archive, i.e.
nothing.  Search issues are at least a year away.

So the important thing at this stage is getting the maximum number of
useful community members to contribute to creating the certification.  Is 
that better done on -advocacy or on a separate list?  Is there any reason 
for a separate domain?

If I were organizing it, I'd create a separate list but on postgresql.org,
e.g. [email protected: pgsql-certific...@postgresql.org], to develop the certification, and
maybe a 3ld for the trac, like certification.postgresql.org.  That gives 
the effort an instant "community" stamp.  It also limits the domain 
proliferation problem which was one of the chief complaints about our
project 3 years ago before we rolled up the 6 domains what made up the
main postgresql.org.

It would also mean that the list archives are searchable together with all
the other postgresql.org list archives, an important point.

So, I'm in favor of a separate list, but think that having a separate
domain is a mistake.  The separate domain says "this is a Drake and Selena 
effort and not a community effort" to those not involved.

JPA,

> Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
> a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
> PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.

What would it mean for a company to be certified?

--Josh

Josh,

> I have not spoken with SRA or the Venezualan folks but am more than
> happy to have them involved.

OK, I'll get you some contact info.

--Josh

Josh,

> Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
> community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
> but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
> discussion now :).

Who else is in this?  Have you talked to the Venezualan folks?  SRA?

As you know, I'm strongly in favor of a good, generally respected
certification.  Let's get all of the interested folks on one project.

--Josh