Gabriele Bartolini (gabriele.bart...@gmail.com)

Ciao Guillaume,

> I would have some questions to ask. For example, the purpose of the
> organization is to prepare "events, conferences, courses"... so this is
> mainly advocacy stuff ? or do you also plan to contribute on
> translations, coding, etc. ? On the translation side, I know that
> Giuseppe Sacco is doing a really great work (100% done for 1.8). But I
> don't see any translation of pginstaller (PostgreSQL Windows Installer),
> and the PostgreSQL translation is at most at 60%. Do you think your
> organization can work on some of these ? this is also kind of advocacy
> work :) And what about the manual ? Last question, do you know italian
> people coding on a PostgreSQL project ?
>   
Yep. I think I mentioned the word 'projects' too, which was a short-term
including several things:

1) PostgreSQL core code
2) PostgreSQL related applications
3) Localisation (we know lots of people help translating PostgreSQL
parts, but a unified task force would be much better - I would love for
instance to get in touch with Giuseppe and ask him to join the
association). A localisation task force, with the same members
contributing for the projects will be still responsibile for that
project, could help us reach uniformity and standard rules /
methodologies. Also, at the moment, we do not have an Italian PostgreSQL
manual and we already started up something during PGDay.

As I said, the association is everyone's. Everyone can make proposals
and participate. The current board of directors is working hard to give
the directions, and members to help starting them up. Personally I hope
that other people, in a year or so, will be able to take my place and
continue to help the association reach its goals. :)
> Whooo, that's really a lot of questions, sorry about that :) with your
> answers, I'll probably write a small paper for postgresqlfr.org. Thanks :)
>   
Thank you.

Ciao,
Gabriele

Ciao,

   I am really proud to announce that last Saturday, 17 november 2007, 
the Italian PostgreSQL Users Group has been founded by twelve volunteers
and that today the non-profit organisation has been officially registered.

   As far as I know, this is the second non-profit organisation entirely 
dedicated to PostgreSQL ever to be founded in Europe - after the great
French one (I might be wrong though, in that case please correct me).

   As the statute of the association says, the main aim of IT-PUG is the 
social promotion of the PostgreSQL RDBMS in Italy, through the
organisation of projects, events, conferences, courses and initiative
oriented towards:

    * community (users and developers)
    * business companies
    * public organisations
    * schools and universities

   The non profit organisation is based on principles such as freedom, 
democracy and volunteering, and the participation is open to every
Italian citizen or resident (the association is everyone's). The statute
has been collaboratively written by all the founders of the association.

   This process has taken a few months and has been the natural produce 
of PGDay. Most of the founders indeed took part in the organisation of
the biggest gathering of the PostgreSQL community ever to be held in
Europe (so far). ;-)

   Although IT-PUG is still in its startup phase, users can find some 
information (including the statute - in Italian) on the website:
www.itpug.org . Hopefully soon IT-PUG will be ready to accept
subscriptions online as well.

Ciao,
Gabriele

Ciao Josh,

2007/11/2, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>:
>
> Not that we *don't* need to promote PostgreSQL -- we always do -- but
> I'd avoid reading too much into this. Remember, they're only surveying
> *their* job listings, not job listings on the internet in general.


Yep, I understand that. That's why I wanted to know if there are similar
statistics available on the net.

One of the major concerns I often get from high school or university
students is that they "barely found PostgreSQL job advertised", hence they
prefer to invest on other RDBMS. I always reply with concepts like SQL
standard high compliance, transferrable skills, multi-platform availability
- which make a good impression. But still, when students see hundreds of
jobs for the competitors and barely none for PostgreSQL, it is very hard to
juggle with it. :)

  And the *total* number of listings in the survey was apparently less than
> 100.


Mhhh ... I had not seen those numbers and yep ... if I sum them I get a
number slightly above 100 (supply)/below 100 (demand).

So, "sample error".


Yep. :)

Thanks,
Gabriele

Hi guys,

   surfing the MySQL website I ended on the JoinVision website, which 
had a few interesting diagrams regarding the skills market according to
their job offers/applications archive.

http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarketDetail-statistic-db-loc-en

   The scary thing is that there is almost a 5% of skilled people using 
PostgreSQL, but less than 1% demand by companies or employers in general.

   I am interested into knowing if you have other sources of information 
similar to this or previous analysis of the phenomena.

   Of course, this is just one case, but it could be self-explanatory 
and suggest - once again - the we, as PostgreSQL community, need to work
on generating demand for PostgreSQL. Promotion, promotion, promotion. :)

   Any thoughts?

Ciao,
Gabriele

If you think it is appropriate, I can propose a talk regarding ht://Miner
and PostgreSQL, with particular attention to data warehousing.