Selena Deckelmann (selena...@gmail.com)

I'm only involved with one of those :)

PUGS is under postgresql.org.

-selena

I agree!  :)

> Secondly, the above has nothing to do with whether it's in a new domain or not
> and everything to do with how often those blogs are linked to from the outside
> world. I've never heard of them which tells you something about how heavily
> referenced they are.

Ok, I think that I stated things to broadly. The search problem
doesn't affect people who are already in the know - it affects
everyone else.  I'm sure you're aware that a large number of
references doesn't necessarily mean that the information has any
quality.

Too much consolidation inhibits growth and probably discourages it.  I
was only trying to say that there's nothing wrong with having multiple
domains.  If we suddenly had 100 postgresql-related domains pop up
with interesting content, things would be messy for a bit but the
situation would work itself out.

And postgresql.org would still be there to guide the way through the mess.

> In any case search engine optimization is a mugs game. Concentrate on building
> a service that people want to use and people will talk about it and that will
> get you on the search engines. Search engines follow, they don't lead.

I agree except for that last bit.  Search is huge and relying only on
word-of-mouth is silly when we have plenty of people who know how to
optimize.

-selena

On Feb 4, 2008 4:27 AM, Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:

> Even a new domain seems odd to me - if this is to be official, then
> surely it should be under postgresql.org.

Having a separate TLD actually increases the visibility of the effort
from a search engine perspective.

We can learn a lesson from Perl advocacy - it is still possible to
render projects invisible to the outside world through excessive
consolidation.  A search for "perl blogs" still does not put
use.perl.org in the top results.

-selena

I appreciate the compliment :)  We definitely are inviting end-users
to our conference.  But they'll be right along-side core contributors,
and whip-smart developers.

I'll just echo what JD said -- our queue of talks includes both very
practical, tutorial-style talks, and more traditional
developer-oriented talks.

We've only got a few more days before we announce the selections on
February 11th!

For those of you thinking about proposing talks, submissions close on
February 3rd. Get 'em in now!!

-selena

While I'm sure tossing out the goodies happens, I have heard directly
from four people that they used it, and it prompted them to look into
PostgreSQL further.

It might be fun to offer copy the ISO to a USB drive at the booth.
Keeps people hanging out, and helps eliminate waste :)

But for now, I think we should continue to create and distribute the
physical CDs.

-selena