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Rainer Duffner Re: [CentOS] Stop the FUD Xen is not deprecated
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Am 25.11.2008 um 20:22 schrieb Brett Serkez:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Tom Brown <tom@ng23.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will
>
> What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or
> technical or both decision?


 From what I have heard of people who actually know a bit about  
virtualization and kernel-design, it probably wasn't a hard decision  
on the technical side.

Business... well, Citrix owns it now, more or less. That itself  
probably was enough to send it to the bin.
Everybody is running their favorite fork of it anyway.



>
>
>> libvirt handles both so fundamentally it makes no difference as to
>> what the
>> virtualization technology is as the way its managed will not change
>
> I would image there has to be a conversion, for instance the format of
> the disk image, or the way that networking is setup?


They have some years to figure it out.
;-)




cheers,
Rainer
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Thread : Stop the FUD Xen is not deprecated
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Vandaman Do people have wet underwear for nothing over XEN? See http://www.redhat.com/promo/qumranet/ <snip>...
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Brett Serkez Thank you for the clarification. What isn't clear from reading the above referenced material is if...
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nate If it's included in future RHEL releases then it will be included in future CentOS releases. Red...
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Ned Slider Which is why I originally wrote... "*Some* are interpreting this... as an indication that xen will...
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Tom Brown Xen wont be in RHEL6 - KVM will libvirt handles both so fundamentally it makes no difference as to...
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Brett Serkez <snip> What insight can be offered on this change? Is this a business or technical or both...
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Rainer Duffner From what I have heard of people who actually know a bit about virtualization and kernel-design, it...
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Bo Lynch I was thinking about implementing Xen for our school district. Now that I'm hearing all of this I...
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Rainer Duffner How much money do you have? What (how many systems, what do they do?) do you actually want to...
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Bo Lynch Right now we have a about 30 servers. Mixture of CentOS,debian,slack,wind= ows. Free is always the...
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Ross Walker Well put, I also think that too. I think the failure of Xen was it's failure to get included in the...
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Pasi Kärkkäinen Yes, it was a failure to not actively work on pv_ops based dom0 already earlier. pv_ops based dom0...
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Christopher Chan XEN will never make into the kernel. Period. I never paid any attention to Xen but I had to lately...
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Mark Hull-Richter There are other virtualization solutions that run with/on CentOS.... mhr
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Christopher Chan I did leave one other detail out...Edubuntu. I will post a separate email for that.
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Pasi Kärkkäinen We were talking about getting Xen dom0 support into Linux kernel. There is already Xen domU support...
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Joseph L. Casale I get it, you *hate* Microsoft and Windows and ... That's cool. But before you make claims about...
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Karanbir Singh Thats not true, I just dont have any use for either of them and noone I work with does either....
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Joseph L. Casale I would actually love that (just for the sake of learning) but me thinks were on opposite sides of...
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Rainer Duffner Agreed - I hate the fact the the VIC only runs on Windows. There is AFAIK, an experimental GUI from...
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Les Mikesell Do you mean some specific version of VMware or what as being locked in? I move images around among...
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Karanbir Singh Les, you might want to step back a bit and workout exactly what constitutes a vmware environment....
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Les Mikesell I'm not sure what you mean. The way I use it, there is the 'virtual machine' and the image. The...
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Morten Torstensen Well, but why do you assume people run Windows where you run your browser? You need a Windows...
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Les Mikesell To someone who doesn't already have a windows license?
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Morten Torstensen I wouldn't have a spare one, and even if you do have one you still paid for it at some point. Now,...
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Stephen John Smoogen The main issue seems to be cost of porting fixes and Xen itself to newer kernels. The fact that Xen...
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John R Pierce Another point... KVM only runs on new CPUs that have hardware virtualization, this makes its job,...
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Christopher Chan XEN will never make it into the mainstream kernel....
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Pasi Kärkkäinen Xen _hypervisor_ will not make it into the kernel, because there's no point in that. It's not part...
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Christopher Chan Whatever. From the last few months of testing with Xen, I really could care less about running...
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Ross Walker It's most obvious you have no idea what you are talking about, so if you prefer Ubuntu over CentOS...
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Christopher Chan Troll? I have been on this list for over four years. I have posted under Feizhou and one or two...
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Mark Hull-Richter I shan't dispute you on this, but I would like to point out that: 1) There are 67 hits on a search...
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Christopher Chan I did have one post where I said I was formerly using feizhou I think...under christopher at ias...
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Matej Cepl I am certainly missing something here -- you are familiar with the Red Hat world and thus when you...
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Christopher Chan Maybe the fact that I and many here use Centos because we do not want to have to upgrade every six...
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Matej Cepl 12 -- Fedora 8 is still pretty good and only now you would have to switch to F10. Actually, I know...
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Kai Schaetzl cz> Matej Cepl wrote on Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:48:17 +0100: Folks, can you please move this discussion...
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R P Herrold hi, Matej Almost all (I cannot think of any exceptions, but there may be) of the core centos team...
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Mark Hull-Richter I just want to add a kudos and thanks to the centos team - I don't know how you guys do all of what...
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Matej Cepl sorry, I will do better next time,
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Vandaman Agreed. The guy seems to be a poorly informed loudmouth. Regards, Vandaman.
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Pasi Kärkkäinen Xen is NOT dropped in Fedora 10. Fedora 10 contains xen-hypervisor, xen-tools/libs and domU...
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Pasi Kärkkäinen Yes, you can run Fedora 10 as a guest/domU on other distros. You can also run Fedora 10 as a domU...
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Kai Schaetzl Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:04:16 +0200: Yeah. The point behind my asking was if...
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Pasi Kärkkäinen Yeah, more or less correct :) Then again Redhat guys have not yet commented about planned features...
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Kai Schaetzl Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote on Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:51:45 +0200: Of course, it's the current state of...
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Vandaman Quite a few people appear to be quite insecure on the basis of what they think is/is not going to...
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