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Spike Turner wrote on Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:19:36 -0700 (PDT):

> - some may not view the centos forum as fragmented
> but is the participation at the same level as the
> unfragmented mailing list?

Couldn't it be that some people simply prefer email over HTML forums? 
Especially those that have less time for answering other's questions?

Kai

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Thread : new list proposal

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Karanbir Singh One thing that we are often blamed for is trying to stifle conversations and to discourage people...

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Karanbir Singh Also, all comments are welcome! If there is a general feeling that this would help, then we will go...

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Knossos Networks Ltd Spiro Harvey I think this would be a good idea. you have my vote.

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William L. Maltby I think this is not a good solution. I've read all the other posts in this thread and there are a...

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Scott Silva This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --==============07793269=Content-Type:...

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Clint Dilks Sounds like a great idea, :)

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Frank Cox Sounds like a whale of a plan.

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Bill Campbell Personally I prefer the more general lists rather than splitting off into a bunch of more specific...

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Frank Cox I tend to agree with you, actually. The Fedora list, for example, seems to work fine as far as I...

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Michael Semcheski Forgive me for jumping into this thread when I don't often post to this list. I think the...

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Niki Kovacs Frank Cox a écrit : I second that. Coming from Slackware, I tend to adhere to the KISS (Keep It...

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Max Hetrick I would agree with a centos-tech list, and would definitely join. I agree, I think often times...

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Bob Taylor I don't think a new list will work any better than this list. As far as an OT post I will give an...

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Christopher Chan I don't know whether that will take off...has not it been tried outside centos.org by centos list...

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Karanbir Singh Not that I am aware of. But its worth a try here in .centos.org ( or so I feel anyway ). What we do...

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Christopher Chan Sometime when Bryan Smith was still about...setup by a Brazilian IIRC. But whatever. Like John...

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John R Pierce I'd have to suggest that the 'default' list (eg this one) should be the most general and beginner...

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Christopher Chan Narrower focus? Why? Why should there not be a general advanced user oriented list which seems to...

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R P Herrold Godwin's law declared on the thread -- Russ herrold

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Scott Silva This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --==============66739323=Content-Type:...

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Mark Hull-Richter Oh, my lord, that brings back memories! I used to have long arguments with Mike on one of the...

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Jeff Larsen There are probably as many (or more) threads that drift off topic as there are those that start out...

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Ken Price I agree with Jeff. While I understand this general list can become a bit overwhelming for the...

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Mark Hull-Richter Count me in, there, too. This may sound odd after my last posting, but I prefer the idea of a...

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Filipe Brandenburger Hi, I second that. As I see it, although this talk of what is on or off topic started on the thread...

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bruce hey filipe... since i'm the op, who posted the app question thread, get back to me with your email...

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Filipe Brandenburger Bruce, For starters, please start following the basic rules of the list, such as bottom posting and...

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Morten Torstensen I think the general CentOS list should be an open and embracing community. A centos-tech list...

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Karanbir Singh What would you recommend as an alternative name for the list ? And it wont be 'offtopic' technology...

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Morten Torstensen centos-core, centos-base, centos-root, centos-system, centos-admin ... just dropping in some....

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Ned Slider I agree with Morten to the extent that I don't think the proposed name(s) of the list(s) convey the...

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Les Mikesell Centos-applications might make sense if the idea is to cover how to do things using programs that...

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Karanbir Singh yes, also the idea of best practices is something that would / should really get more airtime....

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Knossos Networks Ltd Spiro Harvey centos-sysadmin?

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Frode Petersen Karanbir Singh: Why not just swap the names? Centos-tech: Technical questions about the CentOS...

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Karanbir Singh I dont agree with you. Here is why: this list isnt really a general list as you put it, its more of...

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Craig White I have tried to stay out of this. I recognize that this is not a democracy and the CentOS...

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John Hinton Craig. I like these definitive names! But I would like a bit more freedom on the sysadmin list. The...

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Knossos Networks Ltd Spiro Harvey and you'll also notice that this never works. the thread typically degenerates into the yay-sayers...

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Ken Price Karanbir, I'm not going to argue back and forth about who's wrong and who's right, but will simply...

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Karanbir Singh I am not *that* fat!

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Bob Taylor This is my understanding of the purpose of this list. I haven't really noticed the on topic off...

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Knossos Networks Ltd Spiro Harvey I favour quality over quantity, and I have $2 to spend. :) Forums are one-stop shops, and even they...

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Chris Geldenhuis I agree with Jeff, in other forums where that I belong to the distinction between "tech" and "chat"...

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Karanbir Singh how about when the distinction is between Support/help and technoglogy/best-practices ?

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John Hinton It would be easy enough to subscribe or not to a second list. I'm finding that more and more I'm...

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Kai Schaetzl John Hinton wrote on Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:09:26 -0400: I agree with all you said and I think that a...

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Spike Turner Out of curiosity which major linux distro operates a fragmented mailing list such as the one...

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Akemi Yagi I have been following this thread but have not said anything so far. But this one caught my eyes....

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Ralph Angenendt https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html...

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Spike Turner So the need for a new list is to compete with the big boys rather than improving the CentOS...

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Ralph Angenendt No, I was just answering your question. Oh, you know how many users CentOS has? Care to share?...

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Karanbir Singh Perhaps, that is true. But one point that most people seem to be missing is that the idea of the...

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Bob Taylor Karanbir, Have you looked at Usenet? It's user post/OT list history? Should give you good...

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Karanbir Singh Last time I checked, there was more than 1 newsgroup. - KB

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Bob Taylor Of course! I haven't been on the Linux lists for years. I do remember there were several. I meant...

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Spike Turner perhaps that is why "core" issues in CentOS like the kernel and samba are ignored by the...

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Ralph Angenendt We are not going to rebase except if upstream does. And maybe nobody answered that because nobody...

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Karanbir Singh Thats a bit of a dribveby waste of space post that does not really merit a reply from anyone. Also...

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Mark Hull-Richter I'm just a small-time CentOS user, working (currently) in an environment where CentOS is a prime...

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Spike Turner A driveby waste of space post was one by a certain Karanbir telling someone to recklessly upgrade...

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Marcelo M. Garcia Hi I understand the eagerness to lower the "noise" ratio, but I think creating another list is not...

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Karanbir Singh I've read and re-read my original email, and not one place can I find something that would lead so...

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Ross Walker Given the overall poor reception of the idea, I'd just put it on the back burner for now... -Ross

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Karanbir Singh yes, thats sounding like a good idea for the time being. - KB

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Mark Hull-Richter Thank you - for listening, participating, discussing and making the right choice. mhr

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Karanbir Singh opinion. Lets see how it pans out. There are still some really good ideas in this thread, most...

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John Hinton I certainly hope this idea doesn't go into the trash bin. Basically, as a sysadmin, this list is...

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Frank Cox The reason for this is because there are more and more "Fedora refugees" setting up desktops and...

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Ross Walker What about the sysadmin that needs to support CentOS desktops? Sometimes best practices = creating...

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Knossos Networks Ltd Spiro Harvey I don't think it is a good idea. I think that we need two separate lists. One for general users,...

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Bill Campbell I am against splitting, and support a fairly large number of machines here, and at our customer...

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Kai Schaetzl I'm all for having less traffic on this list, but I don't have a good recipe for that. I doubt that...

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Les Mikesell Maybe it would make more sense to turn this list into 'Centos-users' where anything someone might...

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Florin Andrei Nah. It will be too fragmented and people will never figure out the difference between the lists....

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Toby Bluhm I was interested in seeing what the actual vote results may be, so here's what I've calculated: New...

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bruce hey tony... care to discern the future results of the US pres election!!! thanks for the laugh...

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Niki Kovacs Toby Bluhm a écrit : Given the popularity of this thread, I suggest creating a...

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Spike Turner Popular huh? Let as see some stats on the posts by user CentOS is supposed to be a community...

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Akemi Yagi Once again you are referring to the CentOS forum. Are you saying that the forums are fragmented and...

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Spike Turner This is my own personal view based on :- - the differences between the fedora and centos forum -...

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Kai Schaetzl Spike Turner wrote on Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:19:36 -0700 (PDT): Couldn't it be that some people simply...

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Akemi Yagi Thanks for your reply. I wanted to know why you referred to the CentOS forums in relation to the...

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Les Mikesell How can a forum possibly be the right place to discuss what people care about in mailing lists? At...

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Scott Silva This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --==============37027765=Content-Type:...

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R P Herrold or a sad demonstation by people who know better ignoring Godwin's Law If people are unwilling to...

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Kai Schaetzl Spike Turner wrote on Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:28:17 -0700 (PDT): You didn't get the subtile irony? Kai...

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Ken Price I disagreed with the idea of creating a second list as originally proposed, however, I think two...

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Ken Price Do you think that by definition, the "system-admins" list should encompass that freedom? Linux...

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Craig White since I brought it up, I will elucidate my thinking... There are many users who are drawn to the...

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Stephen Harris To be honest, I don't think this list should be split. Instead it should be more rigorously...

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Les Mikesell I have to disagree strongly with that, since policing generally wastes everyone's time with more...

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Clint Dilks Hi Rigorous policing in this context is counter productive. Specifically in three areas 1. The...

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