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[pgsql-advocacy] Redirects for gborg are in place
By Greg Sabino Mullane at Nov 19, 2007, 9:15 pm UTC
I just finished setting a bunch of permanent redirects on pgfoundry. Any gborg links to the following projects now go to their correct external URLs with a permanent redirect: phppgadmin dbdpg dbmodeller libpqxx slony1 These projects now bounce to the correct pgfoundry location: pljava pguuid plr... More...
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I just finished setting a bunch of permanent redirects on pgfoundry.
Any gborg links to the following projects now go to their
correct external URLs with a permanent redirect:
phppgadmin dbdpg dbmodeller libpqxx slony1
These projects now bounce to the correct pgfoundry location:
pljava pguuid plr pgintcl pgjobs dbi-link pgautotune
pgintcl pgeasy tablelog pgimport tcap pfm pgdiff
These are ones I don't know where (if anywhere) to point to. If anyone
knows a valid location for any of these, please let me know:
pgmatlab psqlodbcplus erserver jsppgadmin pgexport pgreplication
gsm webpg rservimp pgexplorer pgcup xpsql ad-pgfoundry
xcodegen pgvbaccess jpgadmin libobjcpq pginformix pgmoneyconvert
citext thewsgsnippet pgjdbc pdadmin libpgcgi pgavd pglogd
orapgsqlviews pgprocess uniqueidentifier pgsqlcocoa pgpayroll
That was a first pass. I'll keep scanning the error log and handle things
as they come up. If anyone is working on the mailing list archives or
knows the status of them, please let me know as well. Otherwise, I'll
track things down one by one as I did for the above.
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Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Inofficial call for papers FOSDEM 2008
By Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum at Nov 19, 2007, 6:42 pm UTC
FOSDEM in Brussels in on the radar and we should make plans. The event takes place 23th and 24th february 2008. I exchanged some mails with Daniel Seuffert from the FreeBSD group in Germany, he will try to get a devroom, which will get shared by BSD and PostgreSQL. If this venture is successful, we... More...
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:04:39 +0200 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> we need to plan the FOSDEM in early 2008 in Brussels.
> As stated in earlier mails we try to get a dedicated devroom in
> cooperation with *BSD.
>
> This means, we will have 18 slots for talks on two days, 9 for PG, 9 for BSD.
> That means, we have to fill this 9 slots (plus 1, 2 standby). This mail
> is just a request to let me know, if we will have this talks available.
> This is not an official application, that will be around october,
> november. I talked with Daniel Seuffert from the FreeBSD project about
> the devroom and he asked me, if we can have this devroom together and
> if the PostgreSQL project can fill the available timeslots.
>
> So, hands up (or mail me), who is interested and what kind of talk you want to give.
FOSDEM in Brussels in on the radar and we should make plans. The event takes
place 23th and 24th february 2008.
I exchanged some mails with Daniel Seuffert from the FreeBSD group in Germany,
he will try to get a devroom, which will get shared by BSD and PostgreSQL. If this
venture is successful, we have to come up with a plan for proposed talks.
Back in June, the time i wrote my initial mail, i got responses which made me think,
we will have enough talks to fill in our slots. Thats good, because without this
responses we did not had to plan about a devroom at all. But most answers was
about "i can give a talk about ...", but no exact theme names. A talk about 8.3 would
be nice, as example.
So anybody who wants to give a talk in our devroom at FOSDEM please send me
some more details along with the title, description and the info, in which category
you would put your talk. I will collect the informations and both forward them to
Daniel and summarize them here.
By the way, we will try to get a booth in any case so we could need some hands
for help.
Thanks & kind regards
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Re: [pgsql-advocacy] stonebraker diffs RDBMS
By Ileana Somesan at Nov 17, 2007, 5:09 pm UTC
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Hi,
I still don't see the difference between column-orientation and vertical
partitioning.
Any idea?
Best regards,
Ileana
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[pgsql-advocacy] Project name - statement from the core team
By Dave Page at Nov 16, 2007, 3:42 pm UTC
Following recent discussions on a name change for the project, it has become clear that consensus within the community will never be reached. In light of this, the core team have discussed the matter in depth and decided that the project shall continue to use the name PostgreSQL, but accept the use... More...
Following recent discussions on a name change for the project, it has
become clear that consensus within the community will never be reached.
In light of this, the core team have discussed the matter in depth and
decided that the project shall continue to use the name PostgreSQL, but
accept the use of Postgres as an alias.
Regards, Dave
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[pgsql-advocacy] Reg Can You Stop Message
By Siva at Nov 15, 2007, 10:10 pm UTC
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[pgsql-advocacy] Brazilian PgCon
By Diogo Biazus at Nov 15, 2007, 8:01 pm UTC
Hi, I'm proud to announce the first PostgreSQL Brazilian conference. We are promoting the event on December 7th and 8th, in S=E3o Paulo city. We got a bunch of registrations already, and we expect around 200 people to participate. We also are already planning the next year event. For more... More...
Hi,
I'm proud to announce the first PostgreSQL Brazilian conference.
We are promoting the event on December 7th and 8th, in São Paulo city.
We got a bunch of registrations already, and we expect around 200
people to participate.
We also are already planning the next year event.
For more information about the event you can visit the english version
of the conference site: http://pgcon.postgresql.org.br/index.en.html
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[DOCS] Mentioning Slony in docs
By Simon Riggs at Nov 15, 2007, 5:11 pm UTC
IMHO it would be appropriate to provide better links to Slony from within the Postgres docs. The main reason is that Slony is Copyrighted PGDG, so we own the code and it is of course BSD licenced. Now that this has been highlighted to me, I can't see a reason for the previous balanced approach. More...
IMHO it would be appropriate to provide better links to Slony from
within the Postgres docs.
The main reason is that Slony is Copyrighted PGDG, so we own the code
and it is of course BSD licenced.
Now that this has been highlighted to me, I can't see a reason for the
previous balanced approach.
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[pgsql-advocacy] Argentina and advocacy (re: regional contacts)
By Guido Barosio at Nov 15, 2007, 2:43 pm UTC
Guys, I haven't seen any activity in Argentina, and I haven't seen the regional contact in open source events also. I would love to take the flag, I've already made this public a year ago, and nothing has changed. Even more, there has been none at all activity in our country. Sad :( My last... More...
Guys,
I haven't seen any activity in Argentina, and I haven't seen the
regional contact in open source events also.
I would love to take the flag, I've already made this public a
year ago, and nothing has changed. Even more, there has been none at
all activity in our country.
Sad :(
My last advocacy act was at our CafeConf, the major open source event
in Argentina, working on a SWOT analisys, comparing both PostgreSQL
and MySQL.
I will be presenting the engine at our national technical university
facilities in La Plata city during the next days, and probably also in
a southern city (Bariloche) during november.
BTW, flyers link?
gb.-
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[pgsql-advocacy] MS SQL Server to PosgreSQL translator
By Michael Holzman at Nov 15, 2007, 12:53 pm UTC
Hi All, I'd like to inform you about the alpha version of MS SQL Server to PosgreSQL translator made by Etersoft, a Russian software maker. This is the announcement http://etersoft.ru/content/view/148/1/. The site is in Russian but I think if you contact them via phone +7 (812) 312-61-43 or mail... More...
Hi All,
I'd like to inform you about the alpha version of MS SQL Server to
PosgreSQL translator made by Etersoft, a Russian software maker. This
is the announcement http://etersoft.ru/content/view/148/1/. The site
is in Russian but I think if you contact them via phone +7 (812)
312-61-43 or mail [email protected: s...@etersoft.ru] they would be happy to
help/explain what the product does.
I have nothing in common with the company. I just thought it is a
classic win-win situation where both parties can benefit.
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[pgsql-advocacy] Gborg: announcement by 404
By Greg Sabino Mullane at Nov 15, 2007, 03:06 am UTC
Said in another list: Did I miss something, or was there no post made to -announce and/or -general about this? Since even people on the -www list seemed to have been caught by surprise by the move, I think we should at least make a public announcement. Perhaps a news item or other mention on the... More...
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> Now that gborg.postgresql.org is officially dead, seems like it'd be a
> good idea to update all the references to it that are in the FAQ.
Did I miss something, or was there no post made to -announce
and/or -general about this? Since even people on the -www list
seemed to have been caught by surprise by the move, I think we should at
least make a public announcement. Perhaps a news item or other mention
on the main postgresql.org page? Something on the main pgfoundry.org page?
Some sort of redirect or friendlier message is needed as well. For
example, the second link when Googling for "Postgres Slony" is:
http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/slony1
...which now gives a very unfriendly 404 message from pgfoundry. Granted,
the first Google hit is the authoritative one, but this is probably
just the tip of the dead link iceberg. Google on 'pljava', 'dbdpg',
or 'pgsphere' for some even scarier examples.
I'll reiterate my offer to write a web-log scraping script for the main site
and extend it to pgfoundry, to at least start triaging some of the worst
effects of the move if nobody has other ideas.
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Re: [pgsql-www] [pgsql-advocacy] Gborg: announcement by 404
By Bruce Momjian at Nov 14, 2007, 6:47 pm UTC
Agreed. I assume it was just done this way due to frustration, which isn't a great way to deal with things, but I think we all understand it. stage, I wasn't going to slow down something I have been waiting for for years. ;-) )... More...
Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 01:34:05PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > For all the discussions on why doing this so quickly was such a bad idea, do
> > you realize that *so far*, there have been a whole three *active* projects that
> > hadn't been moved over? pgweb, pljava and pgjdbc ...
>
> That is completely irrelevant. My point is a simple one: we're a mature
> project, and we should act like grown ups with our infrastructure. That
> means rather more _specific_ notice to users about when things will go away.
> The way it happened, it looked like someone woke up one morning and said, "I
> think I'll take down gborg today." If we want people to trust our software
> with their critical data, we have to act as though predictability is a good
> thing.
>
> Nobody is suggesting that it was ok to have gborg linger the way it did.
> All I'm saying is that the next time we shut something down, we need to tell
> _everybody_ well in advance exactly _when_ we think things will go away
> (emergencies are, of course, excepted). This doesn't mean four-hour
> "maintenance windows" at midnight or any of that. But it does mean that,
> some weeks in advance of something going away, there should be some evidence
> that the changes are planned.
Agreed. I assume it was just done this way due to frustration, which
isn't a great way to deal with things, but I think we all understand it.
(I have to say I was kind of shocked at the rapidity of it, but at this
stage, I wasn't going to slow down something I have been waiting for for
years. ;-) )
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Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Avoiding upgrade backlash
By Andrew Sullivan at Nov 14, 2007, 5:29 pm UTC
I think this is true. I think it maybe ought to be right at the top of the notes, and maybe ought to be linked off the announcement of the sort Users upgrading from previous releases want to read this <a etc> compatibility note</a> I think maybe how Debian handled the notes about kernel changes in... More...
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:42:30PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
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> While we are right to choke down abuse of implicit casting, it might be a
> good idea to give users stronger warnings and instructions.
I think this is true. I think it maybe ought to be right at the top of the
notes, and maybe ought to be linked off the announcement of the sort
Users upgrading from previous releases want to read this <a etc>
compatibility note</a>
I think maybe how Debian handled the notes about kernel changes in the last
stable release would be a good model. The point there is, _test well_.
We're doing what we warned you about.
> I'm thinking that we need to warn everyone about:
[&c]
This list seems to miss the main warning needed, which is this in 300 point
bold:
IMPLICIT TYPECASTS HAVE BEEN MOSTLY REMOVED. TEST YOUR APPLICATION!
A
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[pgsql-advocacy] Looking for 8.3 quotes!
By Josh Berkus at Nov 14, 2007, 5:02 pm UTC
All, We really need at least one quote from a *production* PostgreSQL using company or agency enthusing over one or more of the 8.3 features. Anyone? More...
All,
We really need at least one quote from a *production* PostgreSQL using
company or agency enthusing over one or more of the 8.3 features. Anyone?
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[pgsql-advocacy] Need for PostgreSQL demand?
By Gabriele Bartolini at Nov 14, 2007, 03:34 am UTC
Hi guys, surfing the MySQL website I ended on the JoinVision website, which had a few interesting diagrams regarding the skills market according to their job offers/applications archive. http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarketDetail-statistic-db-loc-en The scary thing is that there is almost... More...
Hi guys,
surfing the MySQL website I ended on the JoinVision website, which
had a few interesting diagrams regarding the skills market according to
their job offers/applications archive.
http://www.joinvision.com/jv/x/n/t-TStatMarketDetail-statistic-db-loc-en
The scary thing is that there is almost a 5% of skilled people using
PostgreSQL, but less than 1% demand by companies or employers in general.
I am interested into knowing if you have other sources of information
similar to this or previous analysis of the phenomena.
Of course, this is just one case, but it could be self-explanatory
and suggest - once again - the we, as PostgreSQL community, need to work
on generating demand for PostgreSQL. Promotion, promotion, promotion. :)
Any thoughts?
Ciao,
Gabriele
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[pgsql-advocacy] high concurrent-user case studies?
By Ned Lilly at Nov 13, 2007, 4:00 pm UTC
All, I've been through the case studies on the website, but haven't found quite what I'm looking for. Is there anything I can point to online that documents large numbers of concurrent users in a Postgres-powered application? Thanks, NL ---------------------------(end of... More...
All,
I've been through the case studies on the website, but haven't found quite what I'm looking for. Is there anything I can point to online that documents large numbers of concurrent users in a Postgres-powered application?
Thanks,
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Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [pgsql-www] Wiki change (oops)
By Magnus Hagander at Nov 12, 2007, 5:26 pm UTC
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Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
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>> Anyway. I can find the revision history, but I can't figure out how to
>> revert the changes and go back to the earlier version. Can someone who
>> knows how to handle the software please do that? (And feel free to tell me
>> how to do it)
>
> All fixed up. You don't need advanced privs, just click on the history
> tab, call up the older version, and edit that. It'll give you a warning
> about losing all future changes, but that's what we want in this case.
> I went back before your first change, and added in the two bullet points.
Thanks!
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[pgsql-advocacy] Wiki change (oops)
By Magnus Hagander at Nov 12, 2007, 4:40 pm UTC
I wanted to add a point to the 83ReleaseFeatures page on the wiki. Did that, and upon saving it seems it ate about half the page - parts that I certainly didn't edit. Anyway. I can find the revision history, but I can't figure out how to revert the changes and go back to the earlier version. Can... More...
I wanted to add a point to the 83ReleaseFeatures page on the wiki. Did
that, and upon saving it seems it ate about half the page - parts that I
certainly didn't edit.
Anyway. I can find the revision history, but I can't figure out how to
revert the changes and go back to the earlier version. Can someone who
knows how to handle the software please do that? (And feel free to tell me
how to do it)
And when at it, please add something along the line of what I added earlier
- if I do the same thing again, it'll likely eat the page again.
//Magnus
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Re: [pgsql-advocacy] The definition of PGDG
By Andrew Sullivan at Nov 9, 2007, 3:50 pm UTC
This is an interesting question, and one that the IETF faced a number of years ago, winding up only recently. There are some possibly troubling bits of news in the various IETF archives on this topic (in particular, pay attention to the creation of the IETF trust). That said, I have some reason to... More...
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 03:38:29PM -0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> As an aside, how can copyright be assigned to a non-defined
> group (a concept really, as near as I can tell).
This is an interesting question, and one that the IETF faced a number of
years ago, winding up only recently. There are some possibly troubling bits
of news in the various IETF archives on this topic (in particular, pay
attention to the creation of the IETF trust).
That said, I have some reason to believe that the actual problem was not
that the copyright wasn't owned by a particular legal entity, but that there
were some individuals who were more or less threatening to prevent any new
work happening in order to satisfy their own agenda. The IETF decided to
compromise under the circumstances. (This is about all I know of the
topic.)
All of that said, the creation of the IETF Trust has resulted in some nasty,
corrosive discussions; significant legal costs; and a great deal of
distraction from the actual work of producing standards.
AFAICT, no harm was actually done over the years by the funny copyright
notices on IETF documents. So I suggest to leave well enough alone for the
time being. But I am not, to my chagrin, a lawyer; so if we think we need
legal advice on this topic, I suggest we make a request to FG, asking for
legal advice on the topic, "Do we need copyright assignment?" rather than
the topic, "To whom should copyright be assigned?"
> Is the PGDG actually defined anywhere yet? If not, anyone want to take a
> stab at it?
Unless the "stabber" in question is actually a lawyer with specialisation in
corporate holdings, I'd like to ask that prospective stabbers not do this.
Bad formulations that might be used in any future legal discussion are in
practice considerably worse than no formulation at all.
A
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[pgsql-advocacy] Postgresql downloads
By Frederick Zarndt at Nov 8, 2007, 5:53 pm UTC
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calendar year 2006. I want the same information for version 7.x. If someone
has the same information from mirror sites that would be great! Thanks in
advance.
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